1994-05-13 - Re: Message Havens, gopherholes

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From: Karl Lui Barrus <klbarrus@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
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Message ID: <9405130448.AA06385@flammulated.owlnet.rice.edu>
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UTC Datetime: 1994-05-13 04:48:37 UTC
Raw Date: Thu, 12 May 94 21:48:37 PDT

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From: Karl Lui Barrus <klbarrus@owlnet.rice.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 May 94 21:48:37 PDT
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: Message Havens, gopherholes
Message-ID: <9405130448.AA06385@flammulated.owlnet.rice.edu>
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Okay, I think the discussion has forked somewhere along the way to
"gopherholes" and "message havens".  While I described the message
havens, maybe I didn't do so clearly (after all, it's all worked out
in my mind!) and I may be overlooking something a fresh perspective
will see.

But, the advantages of a message haven are:

* it doesn't send mail, thus eliminating what are the strongest
  objections to anonymous mail - you can't harrass somebody

* it doesn't require you to tell it what messages you want to retrieve

* it doesn't keep a list of pseudonym and true identity mappings,
  which seems to be required for "gopherhole" operation

* it doesn't even need to have a public key: you and your partner can
  use each other's keys, and in every response to a message, you can
  specify what to name the next message, and even include a brand new
  public key if you want, etc.

* if you retreive all the messages, the haven can't figure out who you
  are communicating with (actually, it can't figure out who is
  communicating with you)

Now, about gopherholes:

[description of how randomization and tag changes will make it hard to
 associate pseudonyms and true names]

> Yeah, it certainly isn't trivial to attack.  However, I'd like to

Unless I missed something, you have to tell the "gopherhole" what
messages you want to receive.  This allows the goperhole to associate
your psuedonym and true identity.

More comments!  About message havens and gopherholes.  Nice to see
some crypto being discussed ;)

Karl Barrus
klbarrus@owlnet.rice.edu

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