From: aga <aga@dhp.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:20:29 -0800 (PST)
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: Cocksucker John Gilmore attempts to rewrite history again
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This cocksucker John Gilmore is gettign to be a BIG pain in the ass!

Now just why is it that most ALL problem peoiple like this are QUEER?

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:

> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 21:47:10 EST
> From: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv@bwalk.dm.com>
> Reply-To: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org
> To: cypherpunks@toad.com, freedom-knights@jetcafe.org
> Cc: sethf@athena.mit.edu
> Subject: Cocksucker John Gilmore attempts to rewrite history again
> 
> I've been reading a thread in the Usenet newsgroups alt.cypherpunks and
> comp.org.eff.talk. EFF, you may recall, is Cocksucker John Gilmore's setup,
> and a pair of Gilmore/EFF's stooges - llurch@quixote.stanford.edu (Rich
> Graves <rcgraves@disposable.com>) and sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth
> Finkelstein) - have been posting lies in an effort to rewrite the recent
> events which have totally destroyed Cocksucker's reputation on the net.
> 
> Rich Graves wrote in article <5gl63i$4eu@quixote.stanford.edu>:
> 
> >comparing me to Vulis doesn't work, I don't think. He'd have
> >mailbombed the list subscribers at the drop of a hat; and in
> >the case of cypherpunks, he and GruBoursy did, to such an
> >extent that the list had to move from toad.com to cyberpass.net.
> >I'm sure I've disappointed some people by doing nothing of the
> >kind. Doesn't stop Seth from saying I'm obsessed, of course.
> 
> This is a lie. I haven't mailbombed cypherpunks. The list moved from
> toad.com to multiple sites because the readers no longer trusted Gilmore to
> host the list. In article <5gkfag$36o@quixote.stanford.edu> he also wrote:
> 
> >>In any case, I personally would not ever absolutely reject posts
> >>arbitrarily from someone if I was moderating a list, even if 99.9% of
> >>their posts were absolute junk.  (I've been in such situations---try
> >>moderating an biological evolution newsgroup and fend of all the
> >>creationists.)
> >
> >You've never met Dr. Vulis, then. Imagine 50 messages a day like this:
> >
> >http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-96.10.24-96.10.30/
> >
> >|Timmy May has tons of dandruff (and dried up semen) in his beard.
> >|Is he Jewish???
> >|
> >|---
> >|
> >|Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
> >|Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
> 
> Rich is lying...
> 
> >Vulis also posted megabytes of Serdar Argic screeds, just to be annoying,
> >and with the stated intention of disrupting the list. That's called a
> >denial of service attack.
> 
> More lies. I haven't posted megabytes of Serdar Argic materials, and I have
> repeatedly stated that it is NOT my intention to disrupt the mailing list.
> 
> >While the cypherpunks move from toad.com to cyberpass.net was far from
> >ideal, it worked reasonably well because the list was aware of what was
> >happening.
> 
> Is that why John Gilmore is sending his minions to post lies and to
> confuse the readers about what was happening?
> 
> In response, sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein) further wrote
> in article <5gmnuj$1ha@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>:
> 
> >>>In any case, I personally would not ever absolutely reject posts
> >>>arbitrarily from someone if I was moderating a list, even if 99.9% of
> >>>their posts were absolute junk.  (I've been in such situations---try
> >
> >	Yes, Ram, I know you'd likely handle such a situation differently.
> >But as I keep saying, on a human level, I just can't work up any
> >criticism for Declan for not wanting to deal in any way shape or
> >form with a person who so frequently mudslings and smears him so much.
> 
> Again, this is not true. I disagree with many of the things Declan says, but
> I'm not smearing him and not slinging mud at him. I'm also not aware of
> having being banned from any forum Declan moderates, whatever that is.
> 
> Seth further has the audacity to praise John Gilmore for showing the
> "patience of a saint":
> 
> >	It wasn't up to Vulis level, absolutely. But I think taking
> >the junk from Vulis showed the patience of a saint.
> 
> This is actually very funny.
>