From: nolegz@juno.com (Lloyd E Briggs)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:12:57 -0800 (PST)
To: frantz@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Analysis of proposed UK ban on use of non-escrowed crypto.
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Well, after i read this, a quaestion popped into my head?  Would the
governmnet do the same with snail -mail?  But more importantly, does the
governm,ent have the right to even go through your private property? 


On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:36:52 -0800 Bill Frantz <frantz@netcom.com> writes:
>At 5:43 PM -0800 4/2/97, Timothy C. May wrote:
>>However, key recovery need have no "hooks" by government into it. The
>>attempt by the government to ensure secret access, without even so 
>much as
>>a search warrant, is revealing.
>
>This issue is to me key.  If the government wants any creditability on 
>the
>GAK issue, it will include in any GAK system, a provision for 
>independent
>auditing, after the fact, of intercepts.  (BTW - I will still oppose 
>GAK,
>but some of my best arguments will be taken away.)
>
>It seems to me that once you swollen the idea that government has, 
>under
>any circumstances, a right to read your mail, there are two issues.
>
>(1) Is the proscribed procedure fair?
>(2) Did the government follow the procedure?
>
>(My opposition to GAK is based on my belief that there are no star 
>chamber
>proceedings which are fair.  The ability to confront the witnesses 
>against
>you and compel witnesses to testify for you are key here.)
>
>However, auditing only addresses the second issue.  There are many 
>problems
>with auditing the government's use of its access.  One key one is, who 
>is
>the auditor?  At CFP97, I suggested that the press would make a good
>auditor.
>
>If the KRAP agency is truly at arms length from the government*, then 
>a
>report of the keys released compared with records that the procedures 
>were
>followed, would allow anyone, the press included, to check that the
>government followed the procedures.
>
>Now, I frequently think that the press is in bed with the government, 
>so I
>am looking for a better auditor.  Some institution which values its
>reputation more than it values its relationship with the government 
>would
>do.  Anyone have any good candidates?
>
>* Assuring this arms length relationship is an exercise for the 
>student.
>(I give it a Knuth grade of 50.)
>
>
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