From: Declan McCullagh <declan@pathfinder.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:29:43 -0800 (PST)
To: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov@algebra.com>
Subject: Re: Jim Bell raid
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Yes, there are. I have a copy of the search warrant, IRS affidavit, and
list of seized items. Beyond that, there's nothing else in the court
record. And the U.S. Attorney isn't saying much.

-Declan

On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:

> To all lawyers out there: aren't there PUBLIC RECORDS that contain
> teh search warrant with the probably cause explanation and other
> material? It would be interesting to send a letter to some court
> and ask for all public record stuff about jimbell.
> 
> just an idea
> 
> igor
> 
> Duncan Frissell wrote:
> > 
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> > At 12:16 PM 4/3/97 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote:
> > 
> > >It looks to me like this is real. Yow. Jim Bell is a goddamn loon, but I
> > >haven't seen him write anything that I thought was criminal. 
> > 
> > The government persists in harassing or arresting people in these 1st
> > Amendment cases even though they know they will not even be able to survive a
> > motion to dismiss.  It seems to be recreational for them.  You can tell
> > they're not serious because they didn't arrest Jim.   
> > 
> > JB has certainly managed to get noticed amongst all the "noise" out there in
> > the world.  Very difficult to do.  And it's getting worse with the Nets.  How
> > many death threats must whitehouse.gov get these days?  They probably lack
> > the person power to investigate all of them.  
> > 
> > This will be another one where the raid gets publicity and the failure to
> > prosecute is only noticed by a few.  When they drop him, he should trumpet it
> > far and wide.  The dropping of the Jake Baker case got little publicity and I
> > even had another lawyer on one of the law lists say that he thought they
> > might try for another indictment.  I knew they'd never get anywhere.
> > 
> > In those very rare cases where you get a guaranteed government loss criminal
> > investigation/prosecution the party involved should verbally abuse the
> > government and point out their manifest pathetic weakness.  It is very rare
> > to be in that situation because the government won't usually back a loser.  I
> > urged Phil Z. to take an aggressive approach in his case but he felt
> > uncomfortable about the idea.  Perhaps as a "leftie" he granted the inherent
> > authority of the government and was reluctant to bash it.
> > 
> > So, JB, find a Portland cybercafe and let 'em have it.
> > 
> > DCF
> > 
> > "Obligatory John Donne quote:  Do Not Ask For Whom the Bell Tools.  It Tolls
> > For Thee."
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> 
> 	- Igor.
> 
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