From: Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 07:41:47 +0800
To: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: NYC Crypto Forum Add
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On Fri, 23 May 1997, John Young wrote:

> A supplement to the NYC Crypto Forum:
> 
> Toward the end Nesson asked, "How about the missing
> participant here, NSA?"
> 
> Several panelists noted, "NSA's here, in the audience."
> (Nonesuch spoke, however.)

I made a comment to the person next to me, yeah, it's Ms. Denning.  Kahn 
replied "No not really"  Interesting that he'd know...

> Nesson went on to ask, "What about national security
> interests outweighing the right to privacy?"

More interesting was "So, that's all key escrow will do? Let us catch 
stupid criminals?"
 
> It was here that David Kahn offered his defense of key
> recovery.

Yeah, that did suck.  'was cool that he was sitting right next to me.  
For a while it gave me major spookies that Ms Denning was "eyeing me" 
turns out it was Mr. Kahn next to me she was eyeing. :)
 
> Here, an audience member said that he worked at Salomon
> Brothers doing traffic analysis of vast E-mail, and that we
> should be aware that more electronic snooping is going on 
> than most people know. How could we be sure that law
> enforcement would not similarly abuse systems set up to
> catch criminals for other purposes, as NSA allegedly does, 
> and, now using the same methodolgies, as private companies 
> do to spy on employees, customers and competitors.

And of course Mr. FBI Scott (What's the last name) said it was total 
bull. :)  How would he know if the NSA was doing it and he was working 
for the FBI?
 
> All panelists nodded at this, that it's hard to tell god from
> the devil, and crypto won't help.

Yeah, this whole thing left me with the feeling of "Yawn, I've heard both 
sides of this before, nothing new here..."

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