1996-06-25 - Re: domain name zapping threat by Internic

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From: Shifter <shifter@portal.stwing.upenn.edu>
To: vznuri@netcom.com (Vladimir Z. Nuri)
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UTC Datetime: 1996-06-25 19:21:43 UTC
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From: Shifter <shifter@portal.stwing.upenn.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:21:43 +0800
To: vznuri@netcom.com (Vladimir Z. Nuri)
Subject: Re: domain name zapping threat by Internic
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> Subject: domain name zapping threat by Internic
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[intro deleted]
> I saw in an article a claim, I think, that the internic now charges
> $100 "rent" per year for a domain. this is really amazing to me,
> because this has totally changed from a one-time only fee, if correct.
> is that correct?

There was never a "one-time" fee.  You could register as many domains as
you wanted whenever you wanted (as long as you weren't violating a 
trademark or something like that).  Usually people with domains would run 
into charges because they needed someone else (usually an ISP) to run
authoritative nameservers for their domain.

> I wonder if people are going to try to find a way to "route around"
> this action by the internic... one wonders if this is just the first
> in a series of actions by the new spook owners. (SAIC)  essentially,
> if someone wanted to implement a tax or a way to control the internet,
> the NIC would be an excellent place to start.
> I wonder if the NIC has legal authority to yank DNS address like
> they are doing. it seems one could take them to court and have
> a pretty good argument that people who run DNS servers are free
> to run them however they want, and that ultimately this is what
> determines how routing on the internet is supported, not some
> overseeing agency like the NIC.

Nothing stops anyone from running their own name server.  However, the root
servers are what 99% of the nameservers out there point at.  No one is going
to use dns.joe.schmoe.org as their primary nameserver.

> it seems to me that now would be a brilliant time for someone
> to introduce a "non NIC registration service" that sets up an
> alternate DNS that guarantees that members will never be charged
> money. of course that's what the DNS "sort of" started out as...

And then there could be competition, which could potentially create some
bad scenarios.  What if one registration service refused to propagate their
domains to other registration services?



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