1997-07-01 - Re: Hettinga’s e$yllogism

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From: tzeruch@ceddec.com
To: cypherpunks@Algebra.COM
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UTC Datetime: 1997-07-01 20:40:08 UTC
Raw Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 04:40:08 +0800

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From: tzeruch@ceddec.com
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 04:40:08 +0800
To: cypherpunks@Algebra.COM
Subject: Re: Hettinga's e$yllogism
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The difference is that there are no borders on the internet.  I can't move
a physical storefront, nor an account at a local bank, but my virtual
website and e-receipts can be 12 timezones and one hemisphere distant in a
few minutes.  Or even spread across 12 timezones and two hemispheres :).

Just starting with strong crypto in the sense of things like PGP, add
anonymous broadcast and M of N secret splitting and if the mind recovers
from the mathematical boggle, the societal implications will be there to
ponder.  If money or ownership of property is data, it will be
uncontrollable in a few years, if that.

On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Paul Bradley wrote:
> > juicy, but just as viable.  And Nazi Germany is also proof that strong
> > crypto really doesn't do much good when the rubber hoses can be
> > deployed without hinderance.
> Strong crypto you must remember is only part of the solution. The reason 
> for the lack of direct response from the Jews during the holocaust was 
> the "legally elected" 3rd Reichs programme of disarming it`s citizens.
> Strong crypto along with other communication technologies provide a 
> strong and secure framework within which armed resistance can take place, 
> these same technologies also allow for infowarfare type attacks on the 
> infrastructure of whole countries or jurisdictions.
> > In fact, your safety and wealth depends in large measure on the
> > protections provided by that government you scorn.  In any healthy
> > tyranny the jackboots would have been on your throat long ago,
> > regardless of your little arsenal, and your money would be purchasing 
> > toys for the rulers.
> Well, tax money already does purchase toys for the rulers and the 
> jackboots are moving towards our throats slowly so no-one notices. Safety 
> and wealth derive from free market economies and rights to self-defence, 
> not from a government.