1997-10-06 - Re: Stronghold

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From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk>
To: dlv@bwalk.dm.com
Message Hash: f8d9739f1b4ca2cc4024d0c40b41a8102b7b485eb67235d170b039a01fa12d96
Message ID: <199710060047.BAA02975@server.test.net>
Reply To: <RqRyDe2w165w@bwalk.dm.com>
UTC Datetime: 1997-10-06 01:56:32 UTC
Raw Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:56:32 +0800

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From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:56:32 +0800
To: dlv@bwalk.dm.com
Subject: Re: Stronghold
In-Reply-To: <RqRyDe2w165w@bwalk.dm.com>
Message-ID: <199710060047.BAA02975@server.test.net>
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Dimitri Vulis <dlv@bwalk.dm.com> writes:
> > Where do people get these bizarre ideas? C2 didn't censor the list. A guy
> > who happened to work for C2 dropped some messages from one list. The
> > messages still went out on the unfiltered list. Had he worked for Mc
> > Donald's or the the NYC Sanitiation Department, would you blame them for
> > this as well? 
> Lucky is lying: the censored articles were also filtered from the
> list which was billed as being unfiltered.

There were 3 lists:

cypherpunks-unedited		(everything)
cypherpunks			(moderated by Sandy)
cypherpunks-flames		(the stuff Sandy rejected) 

At the time I was subscribed to cypherpunks and cypherpunks-flames in
the belief that this would result in getting everything, and save the
bandwidth of subscribing to all 3, but allow me to tell what was

I didn't see the censored post at all.  This means at least that Sandy
didn't post it to either of cypherpunks or cypherpunks-flames.  This
is consistent with his later admission that he considered Dimitri's
comments on Stronghold security as a conflict of interests for him to
post, as he was manually posting to both of those lists.

Unfortunately I wasn't on cypherpunks-unedited at the time, but I
thought that it was immediate send out from toad.com without going via

Now officially an EAR violation...
Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/

print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<>