From: hawkwind@dink.foretune.co.jp
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 93 21:07:04 PST
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Another groups handling of disruptive people
Message-ID: <199312270502.OAA11658@dink.foretune.co.jp>
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Subject: Unfairly banned from #anime!
From: Casca, bertishg@db.erau.edu
Date: 26 Dec 1993 12:21:35 -0500
In article <2fkh6v$2f4@scorpius.db.erau.edu> Casca, bertishg@db.erau.edu writes:
>
>On Friday, the 24th of December, I logged on to IRC. I joined #anime! 
>to find that there were only two other people on, [Starman] and Ichijyo.
>I did not find this unusual because it was around 12:00 pm Eastern Time.
>
>I attampted to engage in communication with [Starman] and Ichijyo, but they
>were asleep on channel, meaning that they were logged in, but not doing
>anything, and were not marked as being away. I left to find better company.
>
>During the course of the day I joined and left #anime! several times, both
>as Casca and in another persona I have for another channel, #vampires, as
>Brujah.
>
>During one of the times I joined as Brujah, I attempted to stimulate 
>conversation, the lifeblood of IRC. This is what I did: 
>
>*** Brujah (bertishg@db.erau.edu)  has joined channel #anime!
>
><Brujah> hey all
>
>                       ** no response **
>
>* Brujah slaps [Starman] around for a bit
>
><Brujah> Dammit, if you're going to log on channel, either do something or
>+ don't bother joining at all! 
>
><Brujah> shit....
>
>*** Brujah has left channel #anime!
>
>
>This is, to the best of my recollection, what occured. I did not have a log
>file
>running, but with the exception of some of the words not being verbatim, 
>this is a correct account of what happened.
>
>I admit that my language was a bit salty. This is due to the fact my Brujah
>persona talks like this frequently, and also because I was irritated that these
>people were sleeping on channel.
>
>I then left for greener pastures for a few hours.
>
>I returned when I noticed that #anime! was beginning to fill with other people.
>I logged in, with my nick still Brujah, having forgotten to change it.
>
>Immediately after logging, on [Starman] confronted my thusly:
>
><[Starman]> Hey Brujah, remember this shit?
>
>and he played the segment of his log where I slapped him around, then made
>my statement.
>
>I was then promptly kicked and banned, without even being given the opportunity
>to present my case. I was then messaged by [Starman] as such:
>
>*[Starman]* I don't know who you are, but you aren't welcome here.
>
>*[Starman]* BTW, all your msg's are being ignored.
>
>Again, this is as close as I can remember it.
>
>I then attempted to communicate with other members of the channel, and finally
>my friend Prisoner was able to gain ops and unban me. [Starman] had left by 
>this time.
>
>
>Thinking this incident was over, I again attempted to join #anime! on 25 Dec, 
>at app. 1:30 pm EST, as Casca. 
>
>I was kicked as soon as I joined. I rejoined, only to be kicked again. Then
>I was banned.
>
>I then formed the alternate channel #anime in an attempt to begin communication
>with [Starman]. I invited my friend Sonida to my channel and explained my case.
>He agreed with me. I then invited [Starman] to join in an effort to solve this
>dispute in a civilized manner. I was ignored.
>
>Sonida also tried, and was also ignored.
>
>
>Therefore, all attempts at private resolution of this matter have failed. I 
>have therefore decided to let popular opinion judge this matter. 
>
>I have mailed copies of this letter to everyone I know, and also posted a copy
>to USENET rec.arts.anime in an effort to reach those whom I do not know.
>
>
>My logic is this:
>
>IT WAS JUST A JOKE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!
>
>Anybody who has seen me spar with Asrial on channel knows I do these actions
>only in jest, and I have done far worse to her (I've dropped meteors on her, 
>thrown her into acid, etc.). But we still remain friends. In fact, I only do
>these to those people I feel I have known long enough to be able to goof around
>with.
>
>I could understand this if I had insulted [Starman] or his mother, but for
>virtual actions which harm no-one? For attempting to start a conversation on
>a chat channel?  
>
>Doesn't this seem like over-reacting to you???
>
>Therefore, I bring this before a forum of all those who attend #anime!
>regularly, semi-regularly, or those who have only joined once.
>
>I believe that [Starman] has over-reacted and is acting immaturely by kicking
>and banning me without even attempting to work this out.
>
>I wish to have the ban dropped and be re-admitted to #anime!, for I feel I have
>commited no crime.
>
>My e-mail address is bertishg@db.erau.edu
>
>[Starman]'s e-mail address is ~render1@teak.njit.edu
>
>Please do not hesitate to email me or post your feelings on the matter.
>
>I wish this problem resolved in a civilized, mature manner.
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>Sincerely, 
> 
>-- Casca
>(bertishg@db.erau.edu)
>
>*******************************************************************************
>*
>"No one holds command over me. No man. No god. No Prince. What is a claim of
>age for ones who are immortal? What is a claim of power for ones who defy
>death?
>Call your damnable hunt. We shall see who I drag screaming to hell with me."
>                                        -- Gunter Dorn, DAS UNGEHEUER DARIN
>*******************************************************************************
>*
>

Subject: Re: Unfairly banned from #anime!
From: Lisa Richardson, priss@tcp.com
Date: 27 Dec 93 00:05:40 GMT
In article <priss.756950740@tcp.com> Lisa Richardson, priss@tcp.com writes:
>Actually, net-ettique should be observed.  Regardless of your persona, you have
>no right to insult a person or make a joke of a person who happens to be idling
>on an IRC channel.  I may not know a lot about IRC stuff, but as a MUCK Wizard,
>I don't go around insulting people who are sleeping on their character.  Even
>if you want to liven things up, you could leave a question and get a response
>later.  What you do, gave Starman a justifiable reason to ignore you, because
>you 'attacked' him without provocation and without justifyable means other than
>him idling on a channel.  There is no law against him doing that, but there is
>some common decency about being rude to a person who is not on-line.
>
>-- 
>Lisa Richardson (aka Priss on about a half dozen MUCKs)
>priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu      and/or              priss@anime.tcp.com
>"Live fast, Die young, and make hearts melt as you go away" - Lisa Richardson
>Priss the MUF Wizard of _AnimeMUCK_ at anime.tcp.com (128.95.10.106) 2035