From: css@netcom.com (Chris Schefler)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 01:59:34 PST
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: postmaster@lance.colostate.edu speaks bounce
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From owner-cypherpunks@toad.com Fri Jan 21 01:32:15 1994
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To: Rolf Michelsen <Rolf.Michelsen@delab.sintef.no>
Cc: Cypherpunks mailing list <cypherpunks@toad.com>
Subject: Re: postmaster@lance.colostate.edu speaks 
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 00:56:45 -0800
From: Peter shipley <shipley@merde.dis.org>

being postmaster on the system dis.org (where the remailer that
Detweiler used to do most of his dirty work exists)  I have recived
more then my share of complaints about reamailer.

(not that I set up the first remail on a privately owned machine, thus
risking a few grand in hardware so that I can personly garrentee that
the sysad  sendmail logs will not be released to anyone).

I am still reciving complaints from the shitmail send out from him,
now do you want to talk about noise?

>
>[flame mode on]
>
>Do you fight noise by being noisy yourself??  To me you won't be much
>better than Detweiler himself by adopting this aproach.  You have read
>postmaster's statement on the Detweiler case, and in my opinion his
>views must be respected.
>
>It is a little strange to observe a group fighting for privacy and 
>anonymity in the electronic community start whining about harassments 
>from anonymous users.  We all know that cryptography, anonymity etc are 
>two-edged swords, and we all have argued that the "good" properties more 
>than offset the "bad" ones.  Now we have tasted one of the "bad" 
>properties of anonymity on the net -- perhaps a healthy lesson.
>
>The Detweiler problem seems to be solving itself.  I haven't seen any 
>posts neither to this list or to any of "his" usenet groups lately and 
>postmaster indicates that it is Detweiler's intention to stop the 
>flooding of the net.  It is only us other users, now including myself, 
>who keep the memory of Detweiler alive.  Let's give it a break.
>
>[flame mode off]
>
>-- Rolf
>
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