From: frode@toaster.SFSU.EDU (Frode Odegard)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 23:07:45 PST
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: re: why govts get bigger
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Greg Brooks (gregguy@aol.com) writes:

> Frode Odegard (frode@toaster.sfsu.edu) writes:
> 
>> So you are saying that acting in one's own rational self-interest is
>> compatible with acting upon somone else by force?

> (Yes, in case of protection of one's life or, in some cases, one's property.
> I didn't say the government was acting rationally in everything (or indeed,
> most things) they do; only that force is a natural response to being
> threatened. That we perceive the government as the real threat has little
> bearing on their actions, I suspect.)

Um, I was referring to _initiation_ of force.  When the government taxes
you that is initiation of force.  When you fire a gun at a robber (or an
IRS agent attempting to steal your assets) that is self-defense.

But what is the philosophical premise behind government as it now stands?
I believe it is altruism - the ethics that tells man that action in his
own rational self-interest is immoral ("selfish") and that only self-
sacrifice, acting _against_ one's own interest for the benefit of the
people, one's neighbors, the state, or some random homeless person, is
morally good.

The ethical bases of laissez-fare capitalism is rational egoism, not
altruism.  According to altruism, productivity for one's own benefit
is a vice, suffering is a virtue.  This is why the "free market" isn't
free - it is ethically incompatible with the philosophical basis of
our so-called leaders (and many, many citizens.)

As long as we do not reject the moral code of altruism we will move
steadily towards fascism - the parallels between the Weimar developments
and those here in the United States are rather astonishing - I'll be
happy to elaborate on them if there is interest.


				- Frode