From: David Galiel <galiel@world.std.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 09:32:44 PST
To: Frederic Halper <fhalper@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: Re: Disinformation
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I'm new to this list, but not to the issues discussed.
As far as "the ends justifying the means" - jeez, have'nt we all learned 
*anything* yet? I spent 4 years in the Israeli army witnessing all manner 
of atrocities commited (on both sides) in the name of lofty, noble goals.
The first victim of oppression is always the truth - lets not play into 
their hands. If our anti-Crapper-Chip case is strong enough on it's 
merits (and we all obviously believe it is), then we only weaken 
ourselves by resorting to disinformation. "They" will always lie more 
artfully than we can - it's how they got elected in the first place. it's 
what they do for a living. Have a little more faith in the truth, don't 
sell out.

Flout 'em and scout 'em -- and scout 'em and flout 'em;
Thought is free.
			-- Shakespeare

On Tue, 22 Feb 1994, Frederic Halper wrote:

> Jim Miller wrote:
> The idea of a disinformation campaign to oppose Clipper really bothers me.
> Isn't the true about Clipper damning enough?  Lying about Clipper seems like
> moral and ethical surrender.  I agree that lying can produce favorable results,
>  
> but I'm not willing to stoop to that level.  If the anti-Clipper people (and I
> count myself one of them) can't defeat Clipper with the truth, this tells me
> the world is so fucked up it deserves Clipper and Capstone in every machine on.
> 
> I feel that in the present situation with the Clipper chip, the ends justifies t
> he means.  If Clipper is widely implemented it will affect the development of th
> e "Information Super Highway" for years to come.  What Jim Miller sayts about ly
> ing about Clipper is true.  But, what if that is the only way to open peoples eyes?  Any means neccesary is the ONLY way to a victory in this case.  you can't truly believe that the government is inly going to implement Clipper on a "voluntary" basis?
> Reuben Halper
> -Anger is a gift- Rage against the machine/Freedom
> P.S.  Did anyone read the article in Covert action a couple months back on Clipper, it was very well done.
>