From: "Halvor Kise jr." <HALVORK@dhhalden.no>
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 23:26:14 PDT
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: my remailer taking some (mild) heat [LONG]
Message-ID: <729C2F7B0F@sofus.dhhalden.no>
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This is disturbing news!

I'm sorry for any spelling errors here.

Please read on!

> ##### I responded:: #####
> 
> Brad,
> 
>   # I included his initial message here
> 
> This is distressing to me.  I don't run a remailer to abet infringers of
> copy (or other) rights.  I certainly do not condone this action. 
> Unfortunately, there is little I can do after the fact.  My remailer is not
> the sort that requires a priori relationships.  If a message has the right
> sort of header, the remailer sends it on its way ... no questions asked.  I
> never see any mail that passes through my remailer.  I keep no logs, the
> efficacy of which would be compromised in any case by remailer chaining or
> encryption.  I can block remailing to or from any particular address, but
> my remailer is incapable of taking action based on content.  I am sorry
> that I can neither tell you who it was, nor contact them ... not because I
> don't wish to, but because I am unable to.

Would this guy told Brad if he could? I'll newer use that remailer 
again!

> I will happily assist you in any way that I am able.  What follows is my
> public policy with respect to the remailer.  It details my capabilities and
> attitude.

[....]

> ##### Brad Templeton wrote:: #####
> 
> I understand your policy, and I suspect that down the road that while
> anon remailers will continue to exist and serve a purpose, those that allow
> people to break laws behind them (defamation and copyright, and possibly
> kiddie-porn in particular) will have to shut down.

I think appinions change from here you live. I live kind of close up 
to Russia (Live in Norway). Norway is a sosialistic(?) country and 
we actually had the World War II here, so we have felt, and can see 
what the freedom of speach is. So Imagine that I am an Albanian 
citisen(?) and have some disturbing news about the Albanian goverment. 
I post this news to the world through this remailer. Wouldn't I be 
breaking a law by doing this? Yes, I would! Use your brains! Wouldn't 
this news be of importance for the world? And to you trigger-happy 
americans: What if the news about the invasion of Quwait 
came from Iraq trough an anon remailer? Wasn't that of "importance 
for the world"?? Or did you americans loose so many lives for nothing?
The world is at war! And I would allow nearly any action to 
distribute information! Eaven if this means that sombody is using my 
remailer to break the law by distributing copyrighted information.

[....]
> 
> I think the right answer is a remailer that logs, allows replies (like
> the finet one) and which opens up in the case of illegal postings, or
> any other postings that don't follow its rules.  It might say that
> it demands a warrant, for example.

Ok, if the police come and wake my up an morning with an warrant, 
they might still need me to get the information they are looking for. 
(I like encryption!) If the warrant was about kiddy-porn I might give 
the police what they wanted, but not before I saw the warrant! If 
they wanted some politicaly mail from Russia/Albania I would rather 
low-level formated my harddisk!

This Brad-person didn't bring a warrant! So I would have told him to 
put his nose somhere else! Sorry but my world is black an white (At 
least a norwegian saying!) 

Look at the Subject again. "my remailer taking some (mild) heat"
If you dont know how to handle the mild heat, how would you handle 
the glowing heat?

I'm sorry if this was a little to hard on some of you, but this is 
my appinion. 

Regards,
Halvor Kise jr. (which is putting an remailer up soon)

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