From: Black Unicorn <unicorn@access.digex.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 94 22:59:34 PDT
To: eagle@deeptht.armory.com (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Cyber PsyOps (Re: Shot)
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> From: Blanc Weber <blancw@microsoft.com>
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 94 20:17:28 PDT
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> >included "Life, liberty, Pursuit of Happiness", and what do you suppose 
> >George thought about that?
> >
> >Some questions I would ask in regard to this warfare business:
> >What sort of a win would you be aiming for, which served the purposes 
> >of rational discussion poorly?  For how long would you be expecting to 
> live in the company of those whom you drove to irrationality?  And how 
> >would you go about the business of returning everything back to a 
> 
> Psychological Warfare is the only way to compete with the NSA on this 
> issue.  This is how they are manipulating the Clinton Administration, and
> the population with propagandic undue infuluence.  Power is only aquired
> by the fact that the population gives the NSA power via credibility.  They
> are the NSA, ergo, they must know what they are talking about.  The Clinton
> Administration has been similarly duped.

The assertion that the NSA is manipulating the executive borders on the 
indefensible.  The NSA make educated suggestions in their field of 
expertise.  The President worries about the policy implementations from 
the executive.

If the NSA is really in control, why the hell are they doing public 
relations instead of remaining the super secret agency they would much 
prefer?

This is simply a re-hash of the old arguement I had with tmp@netcom.com.
I expected more.

> Second question.  Of the consensual normalities of society, Fredrich Perls
> said, "You can choose to participate in the collective psychosis, or dare
> to be yourself, and possibly be crucified."  I'm in the business of raising
> the population's awareness, as is EFF.  Perls also said, "Awareness of 
> itself, is curative."

The problem with your potential crucifiction is that no body gains for 
your death.  You are not Jesus.  We do not profit if you are imprisioned.

> Provisions for the survival of tribal anarchy- a pure democracy- were written
> into the Constitution by Thomas Jefferson, if one is to give weight to
> progressive theory.  An aware, informed, and actively participating population
> is my aim, not "driven to irrationality" as Blanc state above.

An aware, informed, and actively participating population being your 
target, you will want to reach as many people as possible.  I think most 
will agree that you tend to the fringe right now and thus your audience 
will be limited.

> The internet, in its present state is a belevolent anarchy, with guidlines of
> courtesy extended to the new participants by the older experienced 
> participants.  Some of us are experienced and quite comfortable 
> functioning in an anarchic environment.  As the hordes come, we are 
> already preparing the way for them.

An anarchy with local lords controlling individual participation. 
(System admins)  An anarchy with regional economic powers that charge for
inclusion.  (Service providers) An anarchy with an organized watchdog 
group.  (CERT)  An anarchy subject to the laws of the participants 
residency. (MIT bust)   An anarchy with export regulations.

Some anarchy.

It seems to me you're talking about goals, not reality.

> Kapor talked about the public outcry that would be percipitated by shutting
> down the internet.  We've talked about strength in numbers.  We can trust the
> innate herd instinct of humankind to self regulate and organize itself with
> in this new paradigm of confluence.

Have to have a real anarchy first.

> Psychological Warfare is duofold.  It harrases the enemy, and hopefully wins
> the hearts and minds of the population.  I suggest Blanc not throw the baby
> out with the bath water.

Harass the NSA.
Win the press and the people in the process?

If that's what your proposing, I really can't follow you, and I think the 
majority of the population will tend to think along the same lines.

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Look, I really don't object to your goals.  I'd like less regualtion too.

Unfortunately distributing restricted documents at will and declairing 
psy-warfare on the NSA probably won't get you there.  I hope I'm wrong, 
and I hope you do it all by yourself, but I have to ask the question, had 
the document been top secret, or even just confidential, would you still 
have spread it around so easily?  To me that reflects a lack of judgement 
and recklessness.  I tend to think of actively subverting an intelligence 
agency the same way.

Better in my mind to learn and act in a guided way, not throwing every 
stick and spear and gernade that comes to hand at the target.

What you seem to be looking for is change, NOW.
THIS SECOND.  If this is your timetable, I hope you like bloodshed.

-uni- (Dark)