From: mpd@netcom.com (Mike Duvos)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 23:53:01 PDT
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: Pedophiles in Cyberspace
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Paul E. Baclace writes:

> It is expressed that pedophiles who can communicate with like-minded
> people anywhere in the world (where laws against it do not exist) will
> get the impression that they are normal, okay people who live under an
> unjust state. 

Are you referring to those places in the world with an order of magnitude 
less violence, child abuse, rape, and poverty where young people have a 
reasonable degree of sexual autonomy and the prosecution of real sexual 
abuse is not encumbered by having to pay lip service to a massive 
right-wing religious crusade?

Perish the thought that these values might someday be exported into the 
United States, or that our own pedophiles might be permitted contact with 
them.  It's much more healthy to leave them all unhappy, embittered, 
suicidal and feeling "not ok".

I am reminded of an exchange a while back between someone in the 
Netherlands and someone in the states on the topic of attitudes towards 
pedophilia.  The Dutch gentleman asked the American whether he would 
rather his teenage son have a relationship with a "happy well-adjusted 
pedophile" or an "angry depressed pedophile".  The American, 
characteristically, replied that his preference would be "A Dead Pedophile".

Needless to say, this remark quickly killed any further discussion of the
topic. :)

My own opinion on the subject is that the social contract between America 
and certain of its sexual minorities could use some improvement.  Contact 
with places that do things differently is a positive force for change, 
not something to be feared.  

> Additionally, it is mentioned that unsupervised (i.e.,
> no psychiatrist present) discussion between pedophiles will also
> reinforce their predilections.

Fred Berlin is no John Money.  (With apologies to Dan Quayle)

Personally, I wouldn't want to live in a country where anyone, regardless 
of their interests, was denied the opportunity to discuss them with 
others without a psychiatrist present to tell them what to think.  This 
is camel's nose under the tent talk.

> Unfortunately, the article does not mention how the blurring of 
> national boundaries and uncontrolled (polically incorrect, etc.) 
> conversations would also be beneficial.  

My objections to the article are straightforward.  First, discussions of 
pedophilia are hardly some sort of case study to demonstrate the limits 
to which the First Ammendment can be stretched.  Far worse things are 
protected by the First Ammendment in our country.

Fully half the article is based on the mistaken notion that the newsgroup 
a.s.p.m-l is actively distributing illegal child porn to everyone over 
the Internet.  This is a group almost no one posts to, and aside from an 
occasional David Hamilton photograph and numerous clueless newbies on a 
quest for the fabled non-existant mother load of Internet porn, would not 
be used at all.

The article is extremely value-laden and in my opinion prejudiced.  It's 
always open season on pedophiles.  Had any more mainstream sexual 
minority been subject to this kind of bashing, or had its name used 
interchangably as the name of a crime, we would have seen the ACLU and 
Queer Nation ripping bricks out of the Wall Street Journal building on 
the evening news.

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