From: jamesd@informix.com (James Donald)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 14:34:47 PDT
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Tedious Chomsky arguments, some small remailer relevance.
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chen@intuit.com (Mark Chen) writes an amazing article
worthy of Chomky himself

I note that Chomsky fans, like Chomksy himself, have no
shame in lying bare faced in public.

> There is no mention anywhere of moral superiority.  There
> is a statement of the demonstrable fact that "the editors
> and the ambassador, in the not very distant past, have
> supported racist murder on a scale that exceeds Amin's
> wildest fantasies," referring, perhaps, to the (then)
> ....

One:  Chomsky's claim clearly implies a claim of extreme 
      moral superiority.

Two:  Your claim, and Chomsky's claim, is a flagrant lie

Amin murdered three hundred thousand people, ate a few of
them, and daydreamed out loud of extending a similar rule
over all of black Africa.

2.1. Even if the Ambassador and the editors of the New York
     times had personally commanded the repression and man made
     famine in East Timor they could not have clocked up as many
     as Amin did in real life, let alone in Amin's "wildest
     fantasies".

2.2  It is completely false that the New York times supported
     the genocide in East Timor.   They were sympathetic to, or
     tolerant of, the wrong side in East Timor, but, unlike
     Chomsky, they did not support genocide.

Nothing the New York times said or did remotely compares
with Chomsky's enthusiastic support of Pol Pot's genocide
in Cambodia.  Chomsky compared Pol Pot's genocide to the
denazification by the French Resistance after world war II.
When did the New York Times compare Indonesia's repression
in East Timor to reconstruction after the American Civil
War?

More rationally, Mark Chen claims that I have failed to make 
my case that Chomsky is seeking to achieve a totalitarian 
state in America by democratic, constitutional, and institutional 
methods, as the National German Socialist Workers party did in 
Germany, rather than by revolutionary methods, as the Bolsheviks 
did in Russia.

Certainly it is true that Chomsky never says in so many words 
"Hey let us imitate the great methods that Pol Pot used in order 
to make sure the will of the people prevails over the immensely 
powerful secret conspiracy by evil racist capitalist imperialists."

But Chomsky defines peoples free choice to say one thing rather 
than another thing, to listen to one source rather than another 
source, to be "extreme coercion and control".

With this definition, it obviously follows that exterminating 
those who engage in "extreme coercion and control" is an act 
of self defence.

When a socialist argues labor theory of value, I know he is planning
to rob me.

In the same way, when Chomsky argues that speech is coercion, and choice
is submission, I know that he and his pals in the government are planning
to enhance our civil liberties by protecting us from that speech, and 
to enhance our lives by rescuing us from that submission.

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