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From: blancw@pylon.com
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 94 21:22:51 PDT
To: sdw@lig.net
Subject: Re: Alt.Gvmt.Immorality
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Responding to msg by Stephen D. Williams:
>There are some theories that various 'power' segments
>of society actively cultivate a particular working
>model for their own benefit. Foremost, of course, are
>Clergy, lawyers, and gov.
Well, reading books like the one from which I took that quote
would alert one's attention to the fact that there are many
working models of human nature possible, and that one should
not merely take the one given out in school or at church or by
whomever. I think that when one realizes that these models are
all the product of our own human reasoning, then the idea of
liberty & freedom becomes more meaningful, as one realizes that
there are choices beyond the views created by one's elders or
leaders.
>I've always thought and recently espoused that there
>should be classes from the beginning of highschool on
>philosophy and sociology. I suppose the problem would
>be which philosophy and whose spin on things the
>schools would encourage.
I think this would start a big fight in the public schools as
to which philosophy or sociological works to use in the
classroom.
However, in classrooms per se if there were a general
presentation of the concepts and discussions on the human
ability to develop comprehensive views of the world, then
everyone was turned loose in the library, each person could
begin their study of any of them and proceed at their own pace
& interest. At the very least they could become aware of the
source of the images of human nature which surround us and
could better evaluate what it means to live & act within any
particular system of operations.
>I just think that too many people don't think of
>themselves on the 'meta' level. (Thinking about what
>they think and do and why.)
The opportunities for this kind of thinking are greatly limited
to what the church and politics provide as a frame of reference
(not that the libraries aren't open and available for budding
curiosities). It was from browsing through picture books of
other peoples & reading about how other cultures arrange their
existence, that I developed the comprehension that there are
different methods of doing things in the world, that there is
such a thing as choice, and that not only cultures but
individuals can arrange their affairs according to their own
ideas of success.
Blanc
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