From: Aron Freed <s009amf@discover.wright.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:23:51 PDT
To: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort@crl.com>
Subject: Re: IN H.O.T. WATER
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On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, Sandy Sandfort wrote:

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>                          SANDY SANDFORT
>  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> 
> C'punks,
> 
> How exciting!  My first anti-fan, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote:
> 
>     Sandy's H.E.A.T was hard enough on my poor 'D' key; I
>     hope ...  yada, yada, yada ...
> 
> While I agree that "Beach Clash" *is* too far afield (sorry,
> David), I have a serious and a *seemingly* not-so-serious
> reason for "reviewing" Acapulco H.E.A.T.
> 
> MY SERIOUS REASON--The world does not see cryptography and
> related privacy technologies as do the Cypherpunks.  Most folks
> "learn" about crypto from popular culture (e.g., TV and movies)
> and, to a lesser extent, the popular press.  When we try to
> persuade others to support strong crypto, we have to know what
> *they* know (and don't know), if we are to be effective.
> 
> MY REAL REASON--Cypherpunks is not just a mailing list.  It is a
> wired community of people with strong, commonly held beliefs
> concerning privacy.  The problem is, the intensity of our beliefs
> and the ultimate seriousness of what's at stake, can lead to a
> negative, siege mentality.  I believe there is a place, in every
> community of fellow travelers, for humor and humanity.  That's
> one of the reasons that physical meeting are so important.  If
> you've been to one, you know that it isn't all strategy and
> tactics; there is also fellowship.  After a Cypherpunks meeting,
> many attendees go out for dinner together.  In California, we
> even--god forbid--"bond."  (Not valid in Arizona, Kansas,
> Kentucky or where prohibited by law.  Your mileage may differ.
> If pain persists, consult a physician.)
> 
> Acapulco H.E.A.T., with dubious crypto and suspect technology,
> has become an inside joke for Cypherpunks.  When we watch it, we
> see things the average person misses.  This is something we
> share, and something that helps create the lighter side of
> Cypherpunk culture.
> 
> 
>  S a n d y
> 
> P.S.  I'm serious.
> 
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> 

Well for me as a Daytonian living in the Midwest, I can hardly make the 
journey out to SF every month. Maybe we could branch out Cypherpunk 
groups as a SIG in different cities, so each city or region could have a 
physical meeting once in a while. IT's so crazy it might work...


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