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From: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 94 15:34:48 PST
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Subject: E-Money
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Mr. Steven Levy writes an admirable article on "E-Money" in
December Wired, with emphasis on Chaum's venture, along with
various opinions of e-cash systems, the role of cryptography
and the salient thoughts of Mr. Eric Hughes.
Mr. Levy, I pray, will excuse my quoting two provocative
excerpts to induce reading the whole piece:
"Corleta Brueck, the project manager for the IRS's Document
Processing System, described some of the IRS's plans. These
include the so-called 'Golden Eagle' return, in which the
government automatically gathers all relevant aspects of a
person's finances, sorts them into approriate categories and
then tallies the tax due. 'One stop service,' as Brueck puts
it. This information would be fed to other government
agencies, as well as states and municipalities, which would
draw upon it for their own purposes. She vows 'absolutely'
that this will happen, assuming that Americans will be grateful
to be relieved of the burden of filing any taxes. The
government will simply take its due." . . .
"[Brueck continues] 'We know everyting about you that we need
to know. Your employer tells us everything about you that we
need to know. Your activity records on your credit cards tell
us everything about you that we need to know. Through
interface with Social Security, with the DMV, with your banking
institutions, we really have a lot of information . . . We
could literally file a return for you. This is the future we'd
like to go to.' "
* * *
"It isn't the future that David Chaum would like to go to, and
in hopes of preventing that degree of openess in an
individual's affairs, he continues doggedly in his crusade for
privacy. . . . He thinks that if an economic system that tracks
all transactions comes to cyberspace, the result would be much
worse than in the physical world. 'Cyberspace doesn't have all
the physical constraints,' he says. 'There are not walls . . .
it's a different, scary, weird place, and with identification
it's a panopticon nightmare.' "
End quotes.
And, yes, for the Chaum-uncharmed, Mr. Chaum was rude to Mr.
Levy. Whether Mr. L. is rude in kind to Mr. C. is an exercise
left to the reader.
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