From: "Claborne, Chris" <claborne@microcosm.sandiegoca.NCR.COM>
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 22:31:24 PST
To: cypherpunks <cypherpunks@toad.com>
Subject: RE:
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  One of the reasons that Phil and Ralph get anything done is because they 
aren't subscribed to this list.  Over 300 messages a week and growing.... 
 How about cutting the flames, the Detweiler/DM junk, HEAT postings and post 
substantive info, questions, or discussion.

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>I don't know what is going on here. This list seems to have
>bogged down in meta-issues. I am very disappointed with
>Eric Hughes' recent display of feather-fluffing. He seems
>to fail to understand that the list has absolutely NOTHING
>to do with him personally. The full subscriber base could
>MOVE IMMEDIATELY if so inclined, and indeed the atmosphere
>seems to be getting a bit oppressive here.
>
>I hate to say this but it reminds me of when all the Detweiler
>flames were erupting a long time ago. Detweiler seemed to
>be especially enraged with the way that E.Hughes ran the list
>in a dictatorial, "iron fist" way. He failed to understand
>that his own role was merely that of a janitor, not a
>celebrity with a personality cult. Is that all the cypherpunks
>list is about? I tell you that this idea that "cypherpunks
>code" does not mean anything. "cypherpunks talk about code
>endlessly" but when it comes down to it, this whole list
>is nothing but a lot of people STROKING EACH OTHER'S EGOS
>while the outsiders (Phil Zimmermann, Ralph Levien) are the
>only ones getting anything done!!
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