From: Ray Arachelian <sunder@escape.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 11:06:46 PDT
To: Mole Rat <an253398@anon.penet.fi>
Subject: Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <9507200542.AA23518@anon.penet.fi>
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On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, Mole Rat wrote:

>      Sounds like an untapped market segment.  In which periodicals
>      should one advertise consulting services in order to cover the
>      mobster market?

For those of the anonymous pay-me-in-(digitial/physical)-cash only 
underground types, yes.

>      Seriously, I imagine that organized crime, like any other
>      business, uses computers.  Their level of crypto usage could be
>      impressive, given the incentives.

Speculation of course.  No better, or closer to the truth either one way 
or the other?  (Any of you anons work for the mob?  if so, is the mob 
'puter-happy?)

>      "There is no honor among thieves."  Wiretaps, bugs, tails,
>      informants, and good, old-fashioned, physical intimidation
>      probably produce plenty of leads.

Two logical possibilities.

  0. Mobsters still get caught and thrown in jail.
  1. They don't use crypto at all.  All records are in the open and 
searchable.  LEA's wet dream.
  2. They use strong crypto and can't be caught at all.  LEA's nightmare.
  3. They use crypto, but are still catchable (oops, the secret is out of 
the bag now, cancel all the computer related RICO nonsense.)
  4. They don't use crypto, but keep no records, or hide them well.  They 
can still be caught by LEA's.

  3 & 4 are the most likely, and the LEA's shameful little secret.  They 
cry wolf to set a wolf trap, but meanwhile they're hunting wabbits, not 
wolves.  

>      I wasn't entirely facetious above about working for the mob,
>      they probably pay well and don't bother with FICA and such.  Plus
>      there's that "family" atmosphere....

Errmm.. precisely the reason to stay away from them.  While the first few 
parts of your above paragraph are quite tempting, the last sentence is 
deadly.  You can't quit from your "family" without cement shoes.  So I'll 
stay away from that line of ...um... work. 


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