From: Black Unicorn <unicorn@polaris.mindport.net>
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:35:01 +0800
To: Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com>
Subject: Re: using PGP only for digital signatures
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On Sun, 5 Nov 1995, Duncan Frissell wrote:

> >> Consider this: most people in the U.S. do not have a "credential" that
> >> shows them to be U.S. citizens. (Hint: most people in the U.S. do not have
> >> passports.)
> 
> My passport is always close at hand.  I love an unchallengeable credential
> that has neither my address nor my SS# on it.  I also carry my birth
> certificate which I use for most non-driving interactions.  It doesn't have
> much useful info on it.  Secured credit cards which can be obtained in any
> name are also handy.  

I have often found and come across considerable problems using a 
passport, local or foreign, as identification.  Many estlablishments 
simply refuse to accept them, as if they are inferior somehow to the 
non-standardized frequently forged allmighty driver's license.  This is 
mostly ignorance and a lack of common reference, as few americans 
actually HAVE these documents, or have even SEEN them.  (No, I'm not 
kidding).  I found this particularly distressing in D.C.  To some degree 
it's institutional, where recording a "drivers license number" on some 
form becomes problematic for the $5.50 and hour clerk who can't find the 
field "driver's license number" anywhere on the passport.

While I just take my business elsewhere when that is possible, I think 
it's interesting to note how desperatly people cling to the social 
security number and completely inept identifications like state issued 
licenses as if to let go would mean a decent into the bleeding hell of 
anarchy.  (In its popularly assumed and feared form)


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