From: Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 10:08:50 +0800
To: Sandy Sandfort <ceridwyn@wolfenet.com>
Subject: Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
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At 10:19 AM 7/19/96 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
>> >[In California] anyone found in your house at night is
>> >presumptively a threat to which you may respond with deadly 
>> >force.  Shoot on sight, in other words.
>
>To which Cerridwyn responded:
> 
>> I find it hard to believe "anyone".  If "anyone" happens to be
>> law enforcement, as has been proven again and again: yer screwed
>> no matter what (either dead or in jail forever). 
>
>Hard to believe or not, that's the presumption.  Now in law,
>it's a rebuttable presumption, but it's still a get-out-of-jail
>card if you did not know the shadow at the end of the call was 
>a cop who was LAWFULLY in your house. 

In this regard, I called into a local (NYC) National Commie Radio talk show
(Brian Lehrer's) last year and was talking with the host about G. Gordon
Liddy's remarks on shooting federal agents who unlawfully break into your
hose.  I said that self defense *could* (not necessarily *would*) work as a
defense to a murder charge involving the killing of federal agents in this
circumstance.  He asked me if I could come up with any examples from real
life where this had worked and I immediately shot back with "Yeah, Randy
Weaver and Kevin Harris."  That was the so-called Ruby Ridge case.  They
were acquitted of murder.

Then there was the guy in New York who shot six NYC cops who surrounded the
apartment where he was hiding (none died).  He was acquitted of assault and
attempted murder charges because he argued that he thought the cops had been
sent to kill him by the drug dealers that it was his profession to rob.
Love those NYC juries.  And they say that there's no justice for a black man
in Amerikkka.

Don't try this at home though kids.  Better to be elsewhere when they come
looking for you.

DCF