From: dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 06:32:07 +0800
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: [NOISE, FLAME] Cypherpunk kook slanders
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Alan Olsen <alano@teleport.com> writes:

> At 12:23 PM 7/14/96 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
>
> [Alot of bullshit deleted]

As an amusing aside, the text that Alan Olsen deleted was the quote from
our least favorite cripple. My response only started here:

> >I remember how someone recently argued on news.groups that Bruce Bough's vot
> >should be invalidated because he's dying from AIDS. I strongly disagree with
> >Dan's (?) reasoning, which was, I recall, that someone with only a couple of
> >months left to live shouldn't be telling others how to run Usenet after his
> >death. I think we should consider Bruce's opinions as being representative.
> >After all, a Usenet vote is an interest poll, and the voters are just a samp
> >of a larger population. Not everyone who thinks like Bruce Bough is going to
> >die together with him from AIDS within a few months (sigh). Let him vote.
>
> I have no idea where you got the idea that Bruce has AIDS.

I was also responding to this article by Dan Hartung, a Usenet votetaker:

]Path: ...!Q.Net!nntp1.best.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!homer.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!in-news.erinet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!usenet
]From: Dan Hartung <dhartung@mcs.net>
]Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.config,soc.motss
]Subject: Re: Proposal: Ban Homosexuals for Usenet Votes
]Followup-To: alt.bonehead.john-grubor
]Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:08:26 -0500
]Organization: Rotaract Club of Evanston
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]anonymous-remailer@shell.portal.com wrote:
]> The Subject says it all.  Usenet votes are supposed to be reader interest
]> polls. Who cares about the opinions of someone who's going to die from AIDS
]> in a month, and won't be rrading Usenet anyway? Their votes shouldn't count.
]
]Absolutely.  I couldn't agree more.  But we have to have a litmus test,
]a means for determining precisely who is homosexual.  I know!  We'll
]just assume anyone who conceals their identity is homosexual.
]
]--
]Daniel A. Hartung       |   I believe we can fly
]dhartung@mcs.com        |         on the wings that we create
]www.mcs.net/~dhartung/  |                 -- Melissa Etheridge

As you see, I find Dan Hartung's homophobic ravings even more distasteful
than the whining cripple's censorous demands that cypherpunk technology not
be used to promote homophobia, as in the abive example. I actually defended
the cripple from Dan Hartung in the above quote.

As for AIDS, I remind you that some people with AIDS or HIV lie about their
condition on purpose, in order to infect others. A very angry demented cripple
would fit this pattern.

> As for him "dragging outside articles into this group"...  You must mean him

Alan Olsen is lying again, as usual. The cripple has on numerous occasions
forwarded entire large Usenet articles to the cypherpunks mailing list whose
only relevance was a mention of my name in some derogatary way. He's been
trying to drag his little Usenet flame wars to this mailing list for months;
finally he succeeded.

> Another thing that you need to do is learn how to comprehend written english.

That's a pretty racist remark.

> Bruce is a very nice guy who has some health problems.  I know few people
> who have met him who have not gotten along with him.

Are you talking about the same demented cripple who tried to organize a
"cypherpunks" meeting at his place and specifically excluded certain people
because he didn't like their political views?

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
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