From: pjb@ny.ubs.com
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 06:19:26 +0800
To: shamrock@netcom.com
Subject: Re: HP supporting GAK, export controls
Message-ID: <199608221831.OAA03495@sherry.ny.ubs.com>
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HP seems to have outlived their usefulness. sad, isn't it, when a really
first class operation has to die. and to go out in such a ignoble  way. 
the `ole boys' must not be resting well in their graves.

	-paul

> From cypherpunks-errors@toad.com Wed Aug 21 18:31:33 1996
> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:11:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com>
> Subject: HP supporting GAK, export controls
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> [Sorry, the last one went out without a subject]
> 
> HP is in the process of ramroding a pro-GAK, pro-export control 
> resolution through CommerceNet's public policy working group.
> 
> Here are the details.
> 
> HP is marketing several DES products that currently can not be sold 
> abroad. In order to be allowed to sell these products, HP is willing to 
> give the USG the following in return:
> 
> 
> 1.  Support by CommerceNet to have GAK built into the (inevitable) 
> domestic PKI. [Their presentation included the word "voluntary". When I 
> asked what was meant by that, I got the reply "There are many 
> interpretations of the word "voluntary"." Suffice to say there are 
> fundamental differences in what I mean by "voluntary" and what their 
> proposal would require the definition of "voluntary" to be.]
> 
> 2.  Support by CommerceNet for export restrictions on stronger forms of 
> crypto than DES as well as restrictions on export of crypto for products 
> not directly related (in HP's opinion) to ecommerce, such as email.
> 
> This ill conceived attempt to use CommerceNet's clout as industry 
> organization to liberalize export rules on HP's products, and those of a 
> few other companies supporting HP in this effort, at a heavy cost to 
> everybody else, must be stopped. Please let HP know how you feel about 
> their initiative and encourage CommerceNet to adopt an anti-GAK, 
> anti-export control position.
> 
> --Lucky
> 
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