From: geoff@commtouch.co.il (geoff)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:42:35 +0800
To: unicorn@schloss.li
Subject: (NOISE) Re: Free Pronto Secure Offer
Message-ID: <19960815232910268.AAB222@[194.90.26.189]>
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To: unicorn@schloss.li, cypherpunks@toad.com
Date: Fri Aug 16 02:41:34 1996
Unicorn,

> No, I was merely pointing out that if the review revealed that it
> had problems (one assumed that the intent of peer review is to reveal
> such problems in the first place, but perhaps you just like giving
> software away?) then the offered reward was valueless.

Peer review seems to have voted that their risk paid off.
 
> A lot of people use DES on this list too I'll wager.
and...

> I "tried out" your promotional scheme when I read your message, and
> it was that scheme which my opinion targeted.

You misinterpreted my reply to a list member's enquiry about whether 
our offer of Pronto Secure in exchange for feedback was still 
available. 
 
> This is a subjective question.
Yes.

> Cypherpunks is always getting the cash poor developer who thinks he
> very clever because he has to pay testers no money if he offers his 
> new product free to the person who discovers a flaw, or writes a 
> review.

Unicorn, you are again letting your fingers move faster than your 
brain. On what do you base your evaluation of our liquidity ? (not that 
it is relevant). Most Cypherpunks are technically savvy and crypto 
aware people, they provide a perfect community for evaluating and 
debugging a security enabling product. I would strongly recommend this 
route to any developer of serious security enhancing software. My 
sincere thanks to all c'punks who have and continue to provide 
incredibly valuable input into Pronto Secure.

> From your home page, I would guess that you request that reviewers
> allow you to make their comments public.  That's called an 
> endorsement, and, by the way, people are usually paid for them.  
> Sometimes in the millions. Think Michael Jordan is getting a deal 
> when you use his name to promote your product and then give him a 
> $99.00 piece of software (which is effectively worth the amount of 
> time it takes to write a few kiss ass paragraphs on the software, not 
> $99.00)?

Unicorn, you are again making groundless assumptions. I suggest that 
you do some fence painting before you enlighten us with your opinions 
about our "kiss ass paragraphs" of code.
Unless Michael Jordon is reading Schneier on the sly, his endorsement 
of Pronto secure is not worth 99c.

> Alturisim is a pipe dream.
Depends what you are putting in your pipe :)
I venture that most c'punks would agree that moving strong e-mail 
security into mainstream is a good thing. This is not going to happen 
without people making money from it.

>> Unicorn, you are invited to whitewash my fence :)
> Do I have to review pronto secure first?
Yes.

Geoff.

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Geoff Klein, Pronto Secure Product Manager;   www.commtouch.com 
My PGP public Key 1814AD45 can be obtained by sending a message
to geoff@commtouch.co.il with "Get PGP Key" as the subject.
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