From: dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 12:15:08 +0800
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: Internet Drivers' Licenses
In-Reply-To: <199609132026.NAA15888@netcom9.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <mLZ8TD7w165w@bwalk.dm.com>
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mpd@netcom.com (Mike Duvos) writes:
> At this point, I would love the ability to filter news and mail
> according to some criteria related to the sender's probable
> reputation.  Back in the early days of C&S, spam was an
> intellectual issue.  Now it is a good chunk of the entire
> bandwidth of major components of the Net.

No it's not. Look at the size of the spam reported on a week in
news.admin.net-abuse.announce. Divide it by the total Usenet traffic
in a week. Tell us what you get.

> I am now getting more junk email than email from people I
> care to correspond with.  It seems one can't even read the
> scholarly newsgroups anymore without "Come Watch Us Lick
> Ourselves on the Web" messages popping up regularly.

Have you looked at NoCeM notices?

If the "Lick my Pussy Cheap" article is multi-posted more than
15 times, then the CancelMoose[tm] will post a NoCeM notice for
it in alt.nocem.misc. (A big 8 newsgroup may be created eventually.)
If you use decent newsreading software, you can instruct it to
look at the NoCeM notices and mark the inappropriate articles as
being already read, so you won't see them. Look at CM's homepage
at http://www.cm.org for more information about NoCeM's.

Some people, including myself, issue NoCeM notices for articles
in certain newsgroup which aren't multi-posted, but are nevertheless
off-topic. Here are the PGP signatures for the 'bots I run:

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pub  1024/F1CB011D 1996/03/16 <misc.jobs.misc-NoCeMbot@bwalk.dm.com>
pub  1024/5BEC22E5 1996/08/08 <nyc.food-NoCeMbot@bwalk.dm.com>
pub  1024/FDF03179 1996/08/09 <nyc.general-NoCeMbot@bwalk.dm.com>
pub  1024/6396A13D 1996/08/08 <nyc.seminars-NoCeMbot@bwalk.dm.com>
pub  1024/B1E05325 1996/08/08 <rec.humor-NoCeMbot@bwalk.dm.com>
pub  1024/946493D5 1996/08/08 <sci.math-NoCeMbot@bwalk.dm.com>
pub  1024/FEBCB511 1996/08/08 <sci.physics-NoCeMbot@bwalk.dm.com>

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> It's really getting to the point where the time-honored
> suggestion of "just hit your delete key" cannot deal with the
> obverwhelming amount of Drek posted, much of it with subject
> lines deliberately designed to blend in with the newsgroup
> topic.

Are you talking about newsgroups or mailing lists? I don't find
reading newsgroups a problem with the proper software. I am somewhat
annoyed by the trash I get via e-mail, especially from this mailing
list (lies, off-topic rants, personal attacks from Tim May (fart)).

> Just being able to filter out posts from Net addresses that
> don't correspond to real identifiable humans posting under
> their legal names would be a good first step.

You have got to be fucking kidding! Some of the most interesting
Usenet articles in hostory were posted anonymously.

> Purely voluntary, of course, since any filtering would be
> done at the reading end, and people could still post anything
> they liked.

Yes - people should be able to post anything they like to Usenet,
including spam, and other people should be able to submit voluntarily
to other people's "censorship" if they choose to. NoCeM's do this
very nicely.

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps