From: Adamsc@io-online.com (Adamsc)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:05:23 +0800
To: "tcmay@got.net>
Subject: Re: Workers, Public Schools, Tradesmen, and Justice
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On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:01:13 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote:

>My conclusion is simple: Tell people if they don't work, they won't eat. If
>they do something others are willing to give them money to do, they won't
>get money. They won't get "entitlements" from the government (= taxpayers,
>= those who are working, = me and thee). Tell them that a college education
>should only be pursued if one has a "calling" to be an engineer, a
>programmer (and probably not even that, judging by what I see), a doctor, a
I've noticed that many places are concerned more with things like creativity,
adapability, drive, etc when hiring a CS grad.  I've found that having a
resume that shows these kind of traits well overcame the lack of a degree
(I'm working on that). There was a thread about this in comp.lang.cobol
awhile back. 
>lawyer (on second thought, don't ever suggest they become lawyers), and so
>on.

The old way was that your HS provided what the mythical average person needed
to go about life. College was for the more "complex" careers.

>And make it easier to hire people, instead of harder. (And if one hires a
>maid, and the maid steals, cut off her hand. We've lost sight of justice,
>and people think that ripping off the rich is their kind of justice. This
>needs to change.)

You don't even need to be that harsh.  Chain-gang work to pay off stolen
property would be more effective, if for no reason other than that you'd get
your money (or property) back.

>Psychologists and similar psychobabblers call it "tough love." If one
>always "enables" an addict, a layabout, a shiftless worker, with excuses
>and handouts, the behavior does not change. To save a person, sometimes
>harshness is needed.

>This is why crypto anarchy's starving of the tax system is good. It may
>"kill" some number of people, as nearly any new idea does, but ultimately
>it will put things back on track.


And you have to look at it from another point of view:   If it would
ameliorate the problems in the future for the majority of the population,
it'd be worth a bit of discomfort now.

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