From: "Joseph M. Reagle Jr." <reagle@rpcp.mit.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 02:09:52 +0800
To: Declan McCullagh <cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: White House crypto proposal -- too little, too late
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     "if you become a dangerous criminal," <> "innocent until proven guilty"

At 10:39 AM 10/2/96 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>[But how does one undo the dangerous criminals without violating the
>privacy rights of everyone else? --Declan]
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Joe Shea <joeshea@netcom.com>
>To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
>Subject: Re: White House crypto proposal -- too little, too late
>
>
>	If you become a dangerous criminal, Declan, I think law
>enforcement does have the right to use key escrow to undo you.  That has
>nothing to do with spying.  You need to be a little more selective about
>your language, and to make distinctions a little more rationally than you
>do. 
>
>Best,
>
>Joe Shea
>Editor-in-Chief
>The American Reporter
>joeshea@netcom.com
>http://www.newshare.com:9999
>
>
>On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
>> BTW, Joe, I'm still waiting for your response to my comments on why
>> your endorsement of key escrow (GAK) is braindead. Or do you still
>> think that the Feds should have the right to spy on my conversations,
>> just like you thought that "porn isn't speech?"
>> 
>> -Declan
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Joe Shea wrote:
>> 
>> > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:47:59 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: Joe Shea <joeshea@netcom.com>
>> > To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
>> > Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com
>> > Subject: Re: White House crypto proposal -- too little, too late
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 	Declan, how does your list work?  Do you only publish comments 
>> > that agree with you?  I didn't see my first two, and this one only came 
>> > with your response.  Is this your version of freedom of the press, or what?
>> > 
>> > Joe Shea
>> > Editor-in-Chief
>> > The American Reporter
>> > joeshea@netcom.com
>> > http://www.newshare.com:9999
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>> > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:19:16 -0700 (PDT)
>> > > From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
>> > > To: fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu
>> > > Cc: joeshea@netcom.com
>> > > Subject: Re: White House crypto proposal -- too little, too late
>> > > 
>> > > [Joe, this may be yet another area where we disagree. It represents a
>> > > power grab by law enforcement; the infrastructure is prone to failure
>> > > and can be compromised; it's more government meddling and coercion and
>> > > more restrictions on free speech; the Fed bureaucrats controlling this
>> > > are vulnerable to special-interest lobbying; the Constitution gives
>> > > the Federal government no right to impose such restrictions; the FBI
>> > > has demonstrated that we can't trust the Feds with our most personal
>> > > information; it violates an absolute right to privacy; and it's
>> > > technically impractical for a good number of applications. --Declan]
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:57:51 -0700 (PDT)
>> > > From: Joe Shea <joeshea@netcom.com>
>> > > To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
>> > > Cc: fight-censorship
>> > > Subject: Re: FC: White House crypto proposal -- too little, too late
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 	Declan's most recent piece makes much more sense than the earlier
>> > > one.  He is quite correct in emphasizing the future vulnerability of the
>> > > encryption logarithms rather than centering on whether or not terrorists
>> > > might use them.  By making them impossible to crack without the key, and
>> > > permitting the key to be available to appropriate law enforcement
>> > > authorities when absolutely necessary, everyone's real needs are 
>> > > satisfied, I think.  I enjoyed this report a lot.
>> > > 
>> > > Best,
>> > > 
>> > > Joe Shea
>> > > Editor-in-Chief
>> > > The American Reporter
>> > > joeshea@netcom.com
>> > > http://www.newshare.com:9999
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>
>
>
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