From: dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:21:54 +0800
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: ITAR satellite provision
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Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li> writes:
> > To: jimbell@pacifier.com
> > Date: Thu Oct 03 08:08:42 1996
> > > >*   A launch vehicle or payload shall not, by reason of the launching
> > > >*   of such vehicle, be considered an export for purposes of this
> > > >*   subchapter.
> > > Okay, everybody, call Estes!  We've got some crypto to export...er...laun
> > > ch!
> > If I get the above wording correctly (unicorn, help me!), it is sufficient
> > to put the cryptostuff on a disc in a LAUNCHABLE device, it never says that
> > the payload has to be delivered by air. So, just put that thing in a bag
> > and get it through customs... (or does "by reason of ..." mean that the
> > exclusive means of export allowed is launching ?)
>
> The launching alone will not cause it to be an export.  If it is launched
> and then ends up outside the U.S., it could be an export.  Certainly if it
> is launched with the purpose of exporting crypto, it will be an export.

This reminds me of something I read about the race in the '50's and the '60's
as to whether the US or the USSR would launch the first satellite, the first
man in space, etc.

The US claimed that a nation's sovereignty ends a few thousand feet into
the atmosphere, so they had the right to fly the U2 planes at about 20K ft.

The Soviets supposedly kept claiming that everyone's airspace extends many
miles beyond the atmosphere, so if any US spy craft flying above Soviet
territory will be shot at.

Eventually the Soviets launched the first satellite and the first man in
space who, for technical reasons, had to fly through the space which the
USSR formerly recognized as other country's airspace. Then they suddenly
forgot about their claim and didn't even object when US remote sensing
satellites flew over the USSR some years later.

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
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