From: "George A. Stathis" <hyperlex@hol.gr>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:54:42 -0800 (PST)
To: dave@kachina.jetcafe.org>
Subject: Re: Does John Gilmore...
Message-ID: <199611181045.IAA00935@prometheus.hol.gr>
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At 08:04 ìì 17/11/1996 -0500, Black Unicorn wrote:
>> Given that the free market rule is "he who has the money makes the
>> rules", please explain how anything less than "subsidized speech" (as
>> you put it) is anything close to free speech?
>> 
>> [For those who's assumptions rule their perception: I am *not* arguing
>> that all speech should be subsidized. I am merely pointing out that
>> the organization that is spending the money to broadcast is
>> controlling the speech, hence it is *not* free speech in terms of
>> freedom or cost.]

>Again, you confuse free speech with free broadcast.

Well, I propose a solution to this problem: I don't mind paying fees in
fact, if the prices are reasonable. For instance THIS text was _paid_ for,
since I pay my Internet provider a certain amount of money every month.

It would be unthinkable, however, that my Internet Provider would mess
around with THIS text, or with ANY opinion of mine (I am sure you agree).

Now, a mailing list has _some_ similarities to the services of an
Internet provider, except (usually) the _cost_.  I am sure Mr. Gilmore
would be more than happy to be _paid_ for the (faulty) services he
provides (to his list-members), since e.g. 1900 members times $1 per
2 months (shall we say) would earn him (shall we say) 950 dollars a
month; Not much perhaps in some countries, but enough in most places
as compensation for the services he provides.

The problem with Mr. Gilmore (apart from being an asshole) is really
that he is rather a thick-minded proponent of censorship of his list's
'eccentric' members, that such subtleties don't even cross his mind.








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Regards
George