From: Dave Hayes <dave@kachina.jetcafe.org>
To: m5@tivoli.com
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Raw Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:40:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Hayes <dave@kachina.jetcafe.org>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:40:53 -0800 (PST)
To: m5@tivoli.com
Subject: Re: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly News
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Mike McNally writes:
> Dave Hayes wrote:
> > Symbolically, he punched holes in his ideology. That's my
> > opinion.
> Note that this is only true if John's ideology in the first place
> was what you think it was.
Excellent point. In point of fact, even if John Gilmore explained
his ideology to me, I would *still* only have an ideology that was
what I thought it was. There is no chance that I can get John
Gilmore's exact ideology in my mind since our minds work differently.
> He may have "punched holes" in the conception of John's ideology
> that you'd formed in your own mind, of course.
Yes, that is the case. Of course, my conception of "free speech" is
unique. I see no difference between a government, a group of network
administrators, or a panel of judges when it comes to censorship.
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Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org
Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet
The King decided to force his subjects to tell the truth. Nasrudin was
first in line. They asked him, "Where are you going? Tell the truth
or be hanged" "I am going," said Nasrudin, "to be hanged on that gallows."
"I don't believe you." "Very well, if I have told a lie, then hang me!"
"But that would make it the truth!" "Exactly," said Nasrudin, "your truth."
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