From: aga <aga@dhp.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 03:58:56 -0800 (PST)
To: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org
Subject: Re: "Freedom Knights" are closet censors
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On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:48:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
> Reply-To: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org
> To: Dave Hayes <dave@kachina.jetcafe.org>
> Cc: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org, cypherpunks@toad.com
> Subject: Re: "Freedom Knights" are closet censors 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Dave Hayes wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, that *is* the point. If you tell me you are going to disrupt
> > the list, I am not going to let you on the list...even though you
> > are easily ignored. 
> 
> And if Vulis shows Gilmore, though his actions, that he is going to
> disrupt cypherpunks, Vulis can be prevented from being on the list...even
> though he is easily ignored.
> 
> The freedom you, Dave, are exercising as owner and perhaps moderator of
> freedom-knights, is precisely the same freedom that Gilmore should and
> does enjoy.
> 

Bullshit!  There is NO similarity at ALL between the cyberpunks list
and the F-K list, and the comparison between the two is grossly
misplaced.

> That's why neither of your actions is, in truth, "censorship."
> 
> -Declan

Gilmore's shit would better be called the "EFF's-fucking of the
people," since he thinks he can use his EFF status and past reputation
as a wedge. There is just no excuse for ever pulling any plug, ever.

-john