From: "Jean-Francois Avon" <jf_avon@citenet.net>
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:09:50 -0800 (PST)
To: Dave Hayes <dave@kachina.jetcafe.org>
Subject: Re: wealth and property rights
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On 21 Nov 96 at 18:35, Dave Hayes wrote:

> However, I would question the implication that "socialists" are
> responsible for the higher tax rates you currently experience.  
> 
> For example, I could make a strong case that you really have some
> clever "capitalists" who have learned how to express their
> "capitalism" quite effectively across the space of all people in a
> "country".

OK.  I am not on Cypherpunks anymore but this leftover of the mail queue 
landed in my mailbox.  So, please, reply directly.

I just couldn't let this one pass by me without jumping on it.  :)

Your second paragraph is attacking a straw man.  You even included the word
'capitalist' in double quotes (").  The common point between socialists and
theses so-called "capitalists" is that they both use that fact that some
coercion is enacted on a given population to get rich an/or powerful.  

The socialists seek, as a value, power over producers and your "capitalists"
seek to get rich and/or powerfull. But both blank out the cause of the
obtention of their goals: legally exerted coercion (via govt rules and
powers).  To use terms coined by a well known writer, one is a Witch Doctor,
the other is an Attila (morally sanctionned by the Witch Doctor).  They
natures are not opposite, they are simply both sides of the same coin.

I sometimes wish peoples would use words for what they really mean...

jfa
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