From: Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 08:48:31 -0800 (PST)
To: Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Ebonics
In-Reply-To: <32BF2E0C.303D@gte.net>
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On Mon, 23 Dec 1996, Dale Thorn wrote:

> Dr. Vulis has in fact been forcibly unsubscribed.  He's on my "who
> cypherpunks" list as of 12 Oct 1996, but does not appear as of
> 04 Nov, 30 Nov, and 18 Dec, when I last asked for a list.

As far as majordomo is concerned, - yes.  However, there are those who 
subscribe invisible and therefore wouldn't show up when you say "who 
cypherpunks" to majordomo@toad.com.
 
> The fact that he still reads the list and does posts only adds to the
> arguments against censorship, specifically John Gilmore's censorship.
> (This has got to be embarrassing for Gilmore, hee hee.  I'll bet he
> practices keeping a straight face in front of a mirror, in case anyone
> brings it up in person.)

I will not argue on John's reaction since I do not know him, nor have I 
met him, however, the fact that Vulis posts and reads cypherpunks means 
he's still here.

> If, as has been said, assassination is the ultimate form of censorship,
> then Dr. Vulis has been shot, stoned, beat on, and cement-booted, but
> he still lives and is a thorn (no pun intended) in the side of would-
> be censors on the Internet.

If he had been ultimatly censored, shot, stoned, beat on, and 
cement-booted, he certainly wouldn't be able to post.  He's still here. 
So the above is bullshit.

It's not a question that he found a way to read from and post to the 
cypherpunks list.  He hasn't been prevented from doing so, therefore his 
unsubscription hasn't been enforced, so he's still here.

If before he was unsubscribed he was able to post messages and read 
messages, and now that he's unsubscribed he's able to post messages and 
read messages, what's the difference to the rest of us on the list?  As 
far as we can see, he's still subscribed.  Never mind that he gets his 
messages from usenet or elsewhere, he's still here.  There is NO 
difference to the rest of cypherpunks.

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