From: Jim Choate <ravage@einstein.ssz.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:12:02 -0800 (PST)
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
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> From: "Phillip M. Hallam-Baker" <hallam@ai.mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 21:36:13 -0500
> 
> I don't agree with your view of states. The inhabitants of a
> geographical area are not mere chattels of the governing power.

Exactly! By jove you got it! By demanding your liberty but demanding
that 'we' go to Singapore or anywhere else and treat them as chattels
we have clearly instituted a double-standard. Most parties in this
discussion still haven't made that distinction.

All we have done is replace their current tyrant with a new one, mainly 
us.

> The right to rule rests on certain criteria which I believe neither 
> country meets. The harassment of opposition politicians in
> obviously trumped up charges disqualifies any country from
> calling itself a democracy.

Exactly. And by applying pressure on Singapore we only help them keep
that tyrany in place. The quickest way I know to make a social institution
band together is self-preservation from an outside threat, real or
perceived.

> I am a cyber-revolutionary and the world has bought into
> the chaos of our revolution. I never intended the Web to be a tool
> for confirming the present social order which is manifestly 
> corrupt.

ALL social orders are corrupt. The 3 laws of thermodynamics apply to
everything including social institutions.

1. You can't get ahead
2. You can't break even
3. You can't quit the game

                  Heinz Pagels (RIP)


                                                    Jim Choate
                                                    CyberTects
                                                    ravage@ssz.com