From: "Mark M." <markm@voicenet.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:40:44 -0800 (PST)
To: Cypherpunks <antimod@nym.alias.net>
Subject: Re: Sandy and I will run a cypherpunks "moderation" experiment in Jan
In-Reply-To: <19970107002313.2511.qmail@anon.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970106213057.1440A-100000@eclipse.voicenet.com>
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On 7 Jan 1997, Against Moderation wrote:

> Why do you think that load is a problem?  I mean most people are not
> going to want to subscribe to multipel versions of the mailing list,
> right?  So why are three mailing lists with a total of ~3,000 users
> any more of a load than 2 mailing lists with a total of ~2,000 users?

I guess we will have to see how the "experiment" goes.  The original list did
say that one of the non-moderated lists would be discontinued.  Anyone who
wants to receive the full list but be able to sort according to moderator's
approval will have a difficult time doing this without subscribing to more
than one list.  If one of the two non-moderated lists gets dropped, the only
way to do this would be to subscribe to two lists receiving duplicate messages.

> 2. Even if it did mean more subscribers, why is load a problem?  I
> mean, even sendmail can easily handle the current load of cypherpunks,
> and there are many packages way faster than sendmail (exim should be
> particularly good at this kind of load, for instance.  Qmail is also
> generally way more efficient than sendmail).  And don't tell me these
> are hard or a pain to install, because I'm willing to set this up and
> run it on my hardware if that's what it takes to get an unedited,
> unmoderated cypherpunks list.

Bandwidth is a problem.  This list distributes about 50 2K messages to 1500
subscribers per day (this is just an estimation, but I don't think it's too
far from reality).  This amounts to 150Mb per day.  I'm sure compute cycles
aren't too much of a problem.  Anyway, I'm just basing most of this on the
original announcement.  I don't know to what extent this will effect toad.


Mark
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