From: "Timothy C. May" <tcmay@got.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:42:25 -0800 (PST)
To: Firebeard <stend@sten.tivoli.com>
Subject: Re: Recommendation: Creation of "alt.cypherpunks"
Message-ID: <199702130042.QAA10417@toad.com>
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At 5:49 PM -0600 2/12/97, Firebeard wrote:
>>>>>> Timothy C May writes:
>
>TCM> Since posting my comments I've just seen the proposal that tivoli
>TCM> may host a list.
>
>	Whoa, Nellie!  Who made that proposal?  It certainly wasn't
>me!  I said that I was taking steps to set up a majordomo to host a
>cypherpunks list.  Topmost on those steps is creation of the sten.net
>or sten.org domain, and getting a personal,
>paid-for-out-of-my-own-pocket, ISDN connection.  The majordomo will
>run off of my personal computer sitting in my apartment, not on Tivoli
>hardware sitting in the support lab.  As I said, John forced my hand
>in his announcement, causing me to 'put up' before everything was in
>place, including the domain registration.  Yes, my mail comes from
>sten.tivoli.com.  That doesn't mean that everything I do in life is
>connected to Tivoli, IBM, etc.

Sorry, I was just going by what I saw in your e-mail address. My point was
not really about Tivoli, or IBM, or any other particular company, though.

I was making the point that _any_ site distributing a list is likely to
face legal pressures not to carry certain items. Read between the lines (or
read the unedited list) the discussion by John Gilmore, Sandy Sandfort, and
the products of Sandy's company, and legal pressures applied, to see what I
mean.

--Tim May


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