From: Rick Hornbeck <rnh2@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:28:04 -0800 (PST)
To: Benjamin Grosman <bgrosman@magna.com.au>
Subject: Re: Transmission of Crypto material and ITAR
Message-ID: <199702130628.WAA04590@toad.com>
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Unless someone in the U.S. is willing to go to the effort of capturing all
of the packets that comprise the crypto software package as they pass
through various MCI, Sprint, etc. networks (which is probably illegal in
itself, in most cases), on their way from the UK to your site in Australia
and then reassembling them in the U.S. into something that is in violation
of the export regulations, what difference does the path of the individual
packets make?

At 01:15 PM 2/13/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Dear All,
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>I have a question regarding the impossible enforcement of ITAR/EAR:
>Naturally I cannot download crypto software from the US, but most of these
>sites have mirrors in other countries, such as the UK for PGP, and sweden
>and finland for lots of things.
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>However, with the way that information is routed throughout the internet
>from these sites, whenever I, in Australia, request packets containing this
>data from the UK etc, it invariably passes through the US from coast to
>coast! Therefore, if ITAR/EAR tries to govern that, aren't they really
>trying to enforce something totally unenforcable? Surely they cannot expect
>all gateways operated by, say, Sprint and MCI to packet sniff 'n' search? 
>
>Can anyone tell me what the ruling is with regards to this?
>
>Yours Sincerely,
>
>Benjamin Grosman
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