From: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv@bwalk.dm.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:42:06 -0800 (PST)
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: Deloitte-Touche?
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Marshall Clow <mclow@owl.csusm.edu> writes:

> Several people wrote:
> >I wrote:
> >>ObCrypto policy:
> >>        Was anyone else besides me amazed by the guy
> >>from Deloitte-Touche at the Internet Privacy Coalition luncheon
> >>last week? I mean, he all but advocated violent overthrow of
> >>the government. [...]
> >
> >For the benefit of those of us who were not at this luncheon (probably
> >not even in the same country), could you please say more about this,
> >Marshall?  What was the subject?  What _did_ the DT speaker say, exactly?
> >
> After a while, I stopped taking notes, because I was so astounded at
> what he was saying.
> (Maybe someone with more complete notes could post a better summary)
> 
> But, here a brief overview of the luncheon:
> 
> Last Wednesday, January 29th, the Internet Privacy Coalition had
> a "policy lunch" in San Francisco. It was in one of the hotels hosting
> the RSA conference, and at the same time that the conference was
> breaking for lunch, so it was easy for attendees to "switch lunches".
> 
> The speakers (as I remember, apologies to any I miss) were:
> 	Whit Diffie
> 	John Gilmore
> 	Kenneth Bass (counsel in Karn vs. Dept of State)
> 	Herb Lin (who ran the NRC staff for the crypto study)
> 	Marc Rotenberg
> 	William Hugh Murray (Deloitte & Touche)
> 	and a couple others that I missed, as I left early.
> 
> Mr. Murray gave a long, impassioned speech.
> 
> He said that the government is going to crack down on
> domestic possession and use of crypto, that they
> were looking to increase their wiretapping capabilities
> 100-fold, and so on.
> 
> He was very emphatic about not trusting anything
> that the government says, and that once they got
> their "foot in the door", that they would seek to
> expand their abilities to regulate, etc, etc.
> 
> He advocated deployment of strong crypto. He
> insisted that there was no way the government
> could stop the export of strong crypto. He exhorted
> people to refuse to obey the ITAR/EAR regulations,
> and to lobby their congresscritters to get the
> PRO-CODE bill passed.
> 
> 
> It wasn't really what he said that amazed me, because
> I had heard most of it (in bits and pieces) before. It
> was presenting it all in a package, in an emotional
> manner, by an elderly, conseratively dressed
> accountant who was representing a large
> corporation whose job it is to help people obey the
> government.
> 
> [ My father was an accountant. He worked for
> Deloitte-Touche, in fact. I don't expect accountants
> to be passionate about government regs, and
> especially not to advocate disobediance. Maybe
> that's why this affected me so strongly. ]
> 
> -- Marshall
> 
> Marshall Clow     Aladdin Systems   <mailto:mclow@mailhost2.csusm.edu>
> 
> Warning: Objects in calendar are closer than they appear.
> 
> 

I think Bill Murray might take offense at being called an accountant.

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
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