From: Pittsburgh Admin <pgh@dhp.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 04:14:01 -0800 (PST)
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Exterminate all Faggots?
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On 15 Feb 1997, Against Moderation wrote:

> Dave Hayes <dave@kachina.jetcafe.org> writes:
> 
> > Don't you get it? Real censorship issues do not arise until someone
> > rocks the boat. It takes someone to rock the boat to make you aware
> > of your own prejudices of that nature. If it takes attacking
> > homosexuals and pissing them off enough to make them show their
> > true colors and begin censorship...so be it. Why be civil when that
> > civility serves to hide that which is ultimately against free speech?
> > 
> > You'll find those of us who -truly- want free speech are extremely
> > good at ignoring what we don't like.
> 
> Perhaps I did not make myself clear.  I never suggested Dr. Grubor's
> views should be suppressed.  Not only do I believe he has every right
> to express them, I also believe (as I explained) that I think there is
> value in inducing censorship as he has, so as to get people's
> censorious tendencies out in the open where they can be fought.
> 
> However, Dr. Grubor is no advocate of free speech (though I'm sure he
> thinks he is).  If Dr. Grubor had his way, he would severely restrict
> the rights of gay people to express themselves on Usenet.  Advocates
> of free speech must truly tolerate all speech, even that which they
> find strongly unpleasant or disturbing.
> 

That is not true.  We just wish to exterminate all faggot control,
not the faggots themselves.  The faggots are well known ad the MOST
censorous group of all.

> My point was therefore that Dr. Grubor would do better to say
> "Exterminate all faggots" than "Exterminate all faggots in the name of
> free speech," and that those of us who truly support freedom of speech
> would do well to distance ourselves from Dr. Grubor, while still fully
> supporting his right to express his opinions.
> 

Those of us who REALLY want free speech will exterminate all
faggot control over any and all usenet administration.