From: Declan McCullagh <declan@pathfinder.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:20:12 +0800
To: Chris DiBona <chrisd@loc201.tandem.com>
Subject: RE: McVeigh? Nimrods.....
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I was having dinner with Don Haines, a friend of mine who's a legislative
counsel with the national ACLU, when the McVeigh verdict came down.

A Canadian prosecutor who was having dinner with us said: "So McVeigh did
it after all."

Don replied: "No. He was found guilty of the crime."

There is a difference.

-Declan



On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Chris DiBona wrote:

> <rant>
> 
> Okay folks...what the hell is wrong with you? First off, this whole McVeigh 
> Crap is a bit off topic..but we all know this. The amazing thing about the 
> string of posts has been that people have forgotten that He has been found 
> guilty of murdering quite a few people. Guilty,  Guilty,  Guilty. Jury of 
> his peers, dare I say, people like us all. Randomly selected. This is how 
> our system works.
> 
> Yes there are flaws in the system.
> 
> Yes the US govt. has it's problems in the past, present and future.
> 
> Yes people have died because schnooks in DC have had thier heads up thier 
> ass. Or not.
> 
> So whether or not you belive he did it.....how can anyone be _for_ what 
> _happened_. People died senselessly, I can't believe that anyone (in this 
> case Duncan Frissell frissell@panix.com, lets give credit where it is due) 
> can be so callous and , frankly, sick , to say :
> 
> <>
> As to the Children of OKC, people who turn the care of their children over 
> to
> government employees or contractors do not place too high a value on those
> children.
> <>
> 
> Are you serious? You should be ashamed that you think this way. Do you 
> really
> think those children who died weren't cared for? You are a sick person who
> should seriously consider therapy. Anyone who read this and said "Yeah!" 
>  is
> on the same plane.
> 
> To all the people who defend blowing shit and people up to get thier point 
> across....
> 
> Okay..so the IRA does it, and HAMMAS does it, and the CIA does it. So does 
> the
> PLFP the FARC and a zillion other terrorist groups. And it appears McVeigh 
> did it.
> But that doesn't make blowing up children in freakin' day care all right. 
> Do you
> understand this? There is no reason to blow up kids. It's wrong. For any 
> reason.
> Bad. Duncan...looking over your past posts.. .I've got to wonder if you 
> were on acid
> when you wrote this, many of your posts were fairly cozigent. But this? Do 
> you have
> children? Any  cousins who are children? A nephew or neice? Do these 
> children
> who may be important to you have parents who "care" about them enough to
> scour the planet to find a good,safe day care that isn't withing the blast 
> radius or
> shooting range of :
> 
> A government office.
> A large corporations headquarters.
> A law firm.
> A post office.
> A town square.
> A restaurant.
> A bank.
> Anywhere some asshole might have a gun and go loopy.
> Anywhere some asshole might have a car be drunk and go loopy.
> Anywhere some asshole might have a gun and a car and be drunk and go loopy. 
> 
> If they even could, I'm someone somewhere will find a way to fuck up that 
> safe place.
> 
> You get the point, I could go on....but I won't.  Perhaps you should think 
> and read
> over your posts before you post again. The only good thing (and I mean 
> ONLY) to
> come out of the whole Mcveigh thing being discussed here on cypherpunks, is
> that it has allowed me to add to my killfiles people who have for some 
> reason,
> had a prefrontal.
> 
> To all the dipshits who could possibly think otherwise. I should also 
> mention it
> is an EQUALLY fucked up thing to blow up adults.
> 
> Like my fellow Santa Clara County Resident Bill Frantz said :
> 
> For cypherpunks this comes down to: Make code, not bombs.
> 
> 	Chris DiBona
> 
> </rant>
> 
>