From: tzeruch@ceddec.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:55:30 +0800
To: cypherpunks@Algebra.COM
Subject: Re: Thoughtcrime   (Re: My War)
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On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, lucifer Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> tzeruch@ceddec.com wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Steve Schear wrote:
> > > I find lust to be a noble urge.
> > 
> > Then you probably find rape a noble deed.  I do not.  If you are referring
> > to the acts our net.loon often posts to this list, I hope you enjoy
> > placing yourself at his level.  My ideas originate above my limbic system.
> 
>   You forgot to add, "...and your mother wears army boots!" before
> your attempted "guilt by association" slur and the placing of your
> esteemed self on an intellectual pedestal.

Don't confuse Lust with Eros.

Lust is the desire for gratification at any cost, including one's own life
(in today's era of AIDS and yesterday's era of Syphillus, which is why it
is listed among the deadly sins).  Lust uses the other person for one's
own pleasure, and if the other is not willing doesn't care.

Eros, which is probably rare today, is the intimate and mutual exchange of
pleasure - the "other" is giving and receiving.  This is what has been
considered the noble form of sex, at least before today's revisionism.

But maybe everyone else on this list considers Lust "noble" and I am
merely old fashioned in believing in intimacy and self-giving and
self-control.  Does everyone believe that it is more noble to take what
you want at this moment than to give of yourself?