From: dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:34:56 +0800
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: commercial remailers and anonymous customers
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971003103708.0069ee68@popd.ix.netcom.com>
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Bill Stewart <stewarts@ix.netcom.com> writes:

>
> >> When all your customers are anonymous, you don't get to be very choosy.
>
> Sameer's C2.Net used to be an ISP business, providing privacy services,
> and he found that enough of his anonymous customers were problem customers
> that it was a real pain to support.

Last October, Sammer was being sued for copyright infringement and he claimed
in court papers that he doesn't censor content on C2's ISP. Literally at the
same time he pulled the plug on a C2 account for publishing a Web page
critical of one of Sameer's associates. Here's Sameer's e-mail to that
account:

]From sameer Thu Oct 24 10: 34:59 1996
]Received: (from sameer@localhost) by blacklodge.c2.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id
]KAA05716; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
]From: sameer <sameer@c2.net>
]Message-Id: <199610241734.KAA05716@blacklodge.c2.net>
]Subject: Re: www.c2.net/~netscum/mayt0.html
]To: netscum@c2.net
]Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
]Cc: sameer@c2.net
]In-Reply-To: <3279b6dd.124287235@mail.c2.net> from "netscum@c2.net" at "Oct
] 24, 96 00:26:22 am"
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]	I'm sorry. If you don't remove the illegal web pages we're
]going to be forced to shut off your account.
]
]> Dear Sameer,
]>
]> What was reported to you was mistaken.  The referenced page contains no
]> libel, and all the claims therein are factually correct and can be proved
]> easily by browing public documents in DejaNews and AltaVista.
]>
]> Good luck in your SPA lawsuit!!
]>
]>
]> On Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:41:53 -0700 (PDT), sameer <sameer@c2.net> posted:
]>
]> >  	The URL in the subject (http://www.c2.net/~netscum/mayt0.html)
]> >  was reported to us as illegal libel. Please note that our policies
]> >  forbid any illegal activity on the site. Please remove this page as
]> >  soon as possible. Thank you.
]> >
]> >  --
]> >  Sameer Parekh					Voice:
]> 510-986-8770
]> >  C2Net						FAX:
]> 510-986-8777
]> >  The Internet Privacy Provider
]> >  http://www.c2.net/				sameer@c2.net
]> >
]>
]
]
]--
]Sameer Parekh					Voice:   510-986-8770
]C2Net						FAX:     510-986-8777
]The Internet Privacy Provider
]http://www.c2.net/				sameer@c2.net

You'd think that a pathologically litigious liar would know better than
to use terms like "illegal libel"...

Soon after this incident Parekh settled the copyright infringement suit,
pulled the plug on C2net's ISP business, and switched to peddling
(questionable) software.

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps