From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@invweb.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:15:05 +0800
To: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
Subject: Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
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In <27d58da7c4bee6ce203bf0ba25b3005a@anon.efga.org>, on 11/20/97 
   at 11:36 AM, Anonymous <anon@anon.efga.org> said:

>William H. Geiger III, well known Nativist (if not Native) American,
>writes: > In <199711192035.VAA20768@basement.replay.com>, on 11/19/97  >   
>at 09:35 PM, Anonymous <nobody@REPLAY.COM> said:
>> 
>> >Actually, many studies have found that immigrants, legal and illegal,
>> >make a net positive contribution to the economy, even considering their
>> >access to government services.
>> 
>> Yes and 4 out of 5 doctors in an independent study prefer Buffren. Would
>> you care to back this up with some actual facts.

>>From the Cato Institute, a well known libertarian think tank,
>http://www.cato.org/dailys/4-22-97.html:

>> Myth number four: Immigrants impose a financial burden on
>> taxpayers. Immigrants do make somewhat heavier use of means-tested welfare
>> programs than natives. There have been especially flagrant abuses by
>> immigrants of particular welfare programs, such as Supplemental Security
>> Income. But because immigrants tend to come to the United States during
>> the start of their working years --between the ages of 18 and 35 --
>> they make very large net contributions to the two largest income transfer
>> programs: Social Security and Medicare. When the payroll tax contributions
>> of immigrants are taken into account, the Urban Institute found that the
>> foreign born constitute a net fiscal windfall to the public sector of
>> some $20 billion a year. To the extent that welfare use by immigrants is
>> a problem, this can be addressed by restricting the welfare eligibility
>> of immigrants, not by keeping immigrants out.

>More details can be found by searching for "immigration" on www.cato.org.

You should have done your research better.

This report by the Cato Institute based on a report by the Urban Institute
is based on *Legal* Immigrants.

>Studies that report a decline in immigrant income and education levels
>often referred to as immigrant "quality" fail to take into account the
>fact that U.S. census data do not differentiate by immigration status.
>Legal immigrants, refugees and illegal immigrants are all included in
>U.S. censuses. But refugees and illegal immigrants have tended to be
>poorer and less educated on average than other immigrants. 

In after reviewing the some of the documents at the Urban Institute web
site http://www.urban.org I would hardly call them a libertarian
orginization. 

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