From: Jim Choate <ravage@ssz.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:27:35 +0800
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:24:12 +0100 (MET)
> From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
> Subject: Re: The Great Awakening (fwd)

> Jim Choate wrote:
> >No, "The Second Great Awakening" which happened to be followed by "The Third
> >Great Awakening".
> >
> >You didn't read the various posts that I sent out earlier on this did you...
> 
> Uh, Hello?  Your post entitled "1st Great Awakening" describes the exact
> same thing that I called simply, "The Great Awakening."  It was not, as you
> say above, the 2nd one.

They are they same if we ignore the fact that there is 50+ years between
the 1st (1700-1750) and the 2nd (1800-1850).
 
> I did read the various posts you sent.  I don't know who chose the names for
> the 2nd and 3rd "Great Awakenings", but they don't seem to have much to do
> with religious revivalism like your "1st Great Awakening" and what I (and
> the definitive Norton Anthology) refer to as simply "The Great Awakening."
> 
> Nerthus

Then you should go back and read them some more. In fact, if you still have
the originals they include in the header the URL where I got the data from.
Take the 10 minutes and go over and take a look at them. All three were
related to religous revivalism in one form or another. The 1st (which
itself some consider to be the second occurance of a previous movement
as indicated in the title) did not occur in the 1800's which was the
original precis that somebody threw out

I did some looking around as well and other then Norton, yourself, and
whoever it was that made the original claim all references I can find to
the Great Awakening refer to the 1700-1750 event(s) as the first one to
occur in the America's. If I can find my Norton Anthology I'll take a
look at it, though it is 15+ years old.

> >Subject: 1st Great Awakening
> [...]
> > X-within-URL: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/great_awakening.html

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> >    The Great Awakening (Second Turning, 1727-1746) began as a spiritual
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