From: nobody@neva.org (Neva Remailer)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:41:01 +0800
To: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
Subject: Re: Find the Mole in the Mirror
Message-ID: <199711141333.HAA25291@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
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John Young wrote:
>Monty Cantsin wrote:
>>The right thing to do is to assume there are a certain number of moles
>>around and engineer your activities accordingly.  If you really think
>>you can Find The Mole, then I would think your first step is to keep
>>quiet about what you are doing.
>
>Like, if you will, Monty Cantsin, the venerable generic pseudonym for
>sub rosa strategems. You fingering yourselves, Monty?
>
>If you haven't been IDed as a mole here yet, you will, probably by
>your own woefully engineered statements.
>
>All of us are moles for one ideology or another, maybe for several if
>the blowing wind tosses us that way. What's the point of being here
>if not for relishment of deceitful faux combat, to draw out the enemy
>(enemies) as Tim and Bob admirably display in their artful allure of
>ulterior motivated peacemakers and condescendors, me for one, as
>Declan love jousts CDT, as many us pisswind DC, NWO, ZOG, Armenians,
>Nipponese.

No, I mean a real mole.  The kind that gets people killed or
imprisoned.

Actually, the nature of this particular group imposes some twists on
Find The Mole.  If this were some church group, and we tapped the
phone of a suspected mole, and all we could get is 3DES encrypted
speech, we could be pretty sure we found one.  But that doesn't work
around here.  Anytime you see somebody doing something unusual, it is
just as likely to mean it's Just Another Cypherpunk Who Is Up To
Something.

Likewise, operators of a mole will have a terrible time determining
mole loyalty.  A problem with informants is that they sometimes
discover the target group is made up of pretty reasonable people and
go native.  And since using remailers is part of the cover...

Moles can burrow in two directions.

Monty Cantsin
Editor in Chief
Smile Magazine
http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html
http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm

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