From: tom <tom@Empire.Net>
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:28:16 +0800
To: whgiii@invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Subject: Re: Censorial leftists (Was: Interesting article)
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William H. Geiger II writes:
> 
> 
> In <1.5.4.32.19971204114530.006ef8dc@idt.net>, on 12/04/97 
>    at 06:45 AM, Jay Holovacs <holovacs@idt.net> said:
> 
> 
> >At 05:16 PM 12/3/97 -0800, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> >>
> >>Libertarians are self-governors in both personal and economic matters. 
> >>They believe government's only purpose is to protect people from coercion
> >>and violence.  They value individual responsibility, and tolerate economic
> >>and social diversity.
> >>
> 
> >Interestingly, New Jersey's recent Libertarian candidate (Sabrin) lost my
> >wife's vote when his own ads portrayed him as anti choice.
> 
> <sigh> Do I really want to start this thread up ....
> 
> An intriguing selection of NewSpeak being used here. The forcible ending
> of another humans life is wrong (add in the standard caveats for
> self-defence). When it is a planed event it is called Murder. No society
> in the history of mankind has permitted unrestricted murder of fellow
> members of society on such superficial excuses of inconvenience.
> 
> To call this murder "choice" just doesn't pass the straight face test. It
> is on the same level as calling what the Germans did to the Jews "choice".
> 
> >Several members of the religious right also call themselves libertarians.
> 
> >Sometimes what is meant is freedom from interference in the market rather
> >than real freedom.
> 
> While such superficial labeling may make it easier for you and your wife
> to sleep at night it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. This is
> neither a religious issue nor a left-right issue any more than theft is.
> 
> Nothing inconsistent with being a Libertarian and anti Murder.
> 

Semantics.

When does a piece of tissue become a human being? When is it a 'life'?

First define your terms. Then talk about murder.

Tom

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