From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart@pobox.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:30:06 +0800
To: cypherpunks@Algebra.COM
Subject: Re: Cypherpunks IRC Christmas Eve Party
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At 09:23 PM 12/25/1997 -0000, Secret Squirrel wrote:
>>If anyone wants to drop by #Cypherpunks on EFNet this evening, myself and
>>others will be around to chat.
>I suggest we schedule another one for New Year's Day. 
>New Year's Eve is when everybody parties and gets drunk. 

Great - cypherpunks are grouchy enough when they're not hung over :-)
(Actually, caffeine appears to be the drug of choice for many of us,
plus miscellaneous amino acids and other strange entropy-fighters...
but it was hard to pass up a straight line.)

>Also, is there any way to IRC anonymously? The situation is complicated by
>the fact that IRC, like any real-time communications system, requires
>real-time stream connections which are traceable back to their sources.
>CROWDS isn't advanced enough or designed to hide arbitrary TCP/IP traffic,
>though it could have been.

Pipenet would be the right choice, if we had one, or DC-nets.
I don't know if the Onion Router stuff is still web-only or if it's
also supporting telnet applications.  Alternatively, someone could
build an IRC laundry without much difficulty, but you'd have to trust
the administrators.  

IPSEC provides privacy for communications,
but doesn't protect the connection information very well,
though IPSEC between firewalls is at least a partial mix.
Once IPSEC is widely deployed, it may be interesting to 
piggyback a pipenet-like system on top of it, basically a
bogus-traffic generator that's keeps packet levels fairly constant.
				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com
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