From: Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 06:43:16 +0800
To: fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment
In-Reply-To: <David Honig's message of "Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:10:38 -0800">
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David Honig writes:
> At 02:37 PM 12/23/97 -0500, Colin Rafferty wrote:

>> You are not being coerced into anything.  If you don't want to serve
>> food to Blacks, don't open a restaurant.  It's your choice.

> Where do you get the right to tell others how they can make a living?

I don't have that right.  However, the Supreme Court has said that the
Congress has that right.

>> By the way, you are also not allowed to dump toxic waste in your own
>> backyard.  Are you being oppressed?

> I am not allowed to place toxic waste, or noise, where it can affect
> others; I can 
> ingest toxins privately and listen to whatever music I like so long as you
> don't detect it in your backyard.

Well, racism is hiring decisions is something that is detected in other
people's backyards.  That's why its illegal.

>>> An employer-employee relationship is like a marriage or any other
>>> arrangement between adults -mutually consensual.
>> 
>> In a fantasy world, it is mutually consensual.  It the real world, it is 
>> seldom mutual.

> You prefer a shotgun or otherwise arranged marriage?

I prefer a level playing field.

>>> Colin, do you consider
>>> yourself oppressed when someone choses not to date you?  What about
>>> a rejection by someone who takes out a public advertisement in the paper?
>> 
>> Nope.  Of course, this has nothing to do with anything.

> Private behavior is private behavior, and trade is a private behavior.

Not in this country.  If you don't believe me, check out Article I,
Section 8 for one explicit example.

>>> Freedom is only tested when it hurts.
>> 
>> With freedom comes responsibility.  Decency is one of them.

> But obligate decency at gunpoint is not worth it.

It's called civilization.  You should try it some time.

-- 
Colin